Talk:Ambitious card

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Being a magician myself I must say that something like The Ambitious card should not be on a public domain such as wikipedia. It is just wrong. It is someones hard work that you are just spitting out for no reason. There is no reason any magic secret should be given away on this site. It doesn't make people respect or appreciate it more. It only takes away from the effect and the fun. Fun for the preformer and spectator. All that should be on here is a descripstion of how the trick looks. Not the trick itself.

Speaking as a magician I say that this is unacceptable. Stating how a trick is done not right. We as magicians work very hard to learn, practice and perform these moves and spend quite a bit of money on it. If people really want to know how this trick is done they should spent some money on one of the many videos or books that teaches it. The description of how it looks is okay but you should not have the explanation posted. As a magician and for my fellow magicians I ask that you take it down.

This matter has been discussed at considerable length over at Talk:Out of This World (card trick); you may wish to add to the discussion there. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 16:24, August 16, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Help review "Mr Leaf"'s edit - vandalism or not

Mr. Leaf (talk · contribs · logs · block user · block log) edited this article last month (this edit) making questionable changes that have, at least in part, later been undone. Today Mr Leaf showed himself to be another incarnation of the long running Magician Randy magicvandal, doing his usual out-and-out vandalism. Can someone review the above change and ensure that the damage he did last month has been undone? Thanks. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 19:02, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

Since Ambitioius Card is a card plot rather than a standardized trick, the secret isn't even correct. It's possible to perform an ACR without executing a single DL. Moreover, the final stages of the routine, as the effect gets "more fair" -- and proportionately stronger -- may not even involve a DL at all. Instead the card is returned face up in the center of the deck and then appears on top. Or the card ends inside the performer's wallet, or abruptly appears inside his mouth. It just so happens that the DL is typically the main sleight, not "the secret."

I agree with the comments above - the Ambitious Card is a magicians' secret and there is no reason whatsoever to tip the method to any curious people who might want to learn how it is done. Please could you take down this section, and in fact the other ones in other articles which also tip classic tricks of magic.

I concur with other magicians above, I personally have spent many hours and a lot of money studying, practising and learning magic effects such as the Ambitious card and I find it offensive that all that hard work is undone by people thoughtlessly giving away the secrets. I have removed the secret and cited a book where the effect can be learned so if anyone wants to know how to do it they can do what I had to do and buy a book. Furthermore some people's livelihoods as entertainers depend on people not knowing how an effect is performed, by revealing the secrets you are destroying somebodies source of income.