Talk:Amanita phalloides

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Contents 1 Conservation status 2 poisonous plants? 3 Rewording 4 90% of all deaths? 5 Is this a Death Cap 6 possible treatment 7 Deadly White cap? 8 Requested move 8.1 Survey 8.1.1 Survey - Support votes 8.1.2 Survey - Oppose votes 8.2 Discussion

[edit] Conservation status

"Status: Secure" could be misparsed as "it's secure to eat" .

.. which could prove fatal. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 212.62.245.170 (talk • contribs) 10:19, 28 July 2004.

IMO anyone dumb enough to eat something called a "Death Cap" simply because the word "secure" appears on the page should probably be genetically deselected anyway... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 166.44.39.104 (talk • contribs) 11:46, 1 June 2005.

It says "Conservation status", not just "status", and as far as I can tell it has always said that, so I don't see the room for confusion. - furrykef (Talk at me) 15:14, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Never mind, I was confused because old versions in edit history use a taxobox template (as do current versions of course) and it was showing the current taxobox template, not the one used back then. - furrykef (Talk at me) 15:17, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

One comment. I know the 'status' indicator is to tell whether it's a endangered species/plant, but in this case there is room for misunderstandings. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Casliber (talk • contribs) 20:31, 3 January 2007.

[edit] poisonous plants?

Should articles on poisonous mushrooms like (Lethal Webcaps, Death cap, destroying angel, etc) be categorized under poisonous plants? Personally, I don't think so as mushrooms do not belong to the kingdom of plants (plantae) at all, but a completely different kingdom (fungi).

So, should we remove the added categories or let them be? Comments appreciated.

Michaelll 00:26, 2 December 2005 (UTC) Michaelll

[edit] Rewording

I think the following section should be reworded because the first sentence and last sentence seem to be in conflict:

The poison particularly affects the liver and kidneys; frequently the only treatment for death cap poisoning is liver transplant. It is estimated that 50 grams (2 oz) of this mushroom are enough to kill a human. Poisoning can be treated by intravenous injection of silibinin dihydrogen disuccinate disodium.

Proposed revision:

The poison particularly affects the liver and kidneys. Frequently the only treatment for death cap poisoning is liver transplant; however, poisoning can be treated by intravenous injection of silibinin dihydrogen disuccinate disodium. It is estimated that 50 grams (2 oz) of this mushroom are enough to kill a human.

Comments? --HunterZ 22:03, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 90% of all deaths?

article claims that "death cap mushroom causes 90% of all mushroom poisoning related deaths in the world", but I just read a BBC article that claims it only 50%. Can someone verify the statistic? Thanks Alex --Alex333sh 15:46, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

I'd say they're probably both pulled out of the same hat as 64.5% of all statistics. I find it hard to believe that anyone has up-to-date and accurate statistics on mushroom poisonings everywhere in the world. Now, if it said "in the U.S." or "in Europe and North America" or "as reported to the WHO", that'd be more believable, but "in the world", total, is a pretty tall order. Anyway, over what period would that be? It could well make a difference whether it's 1900-1960 or 1980-2000.

Anyway, if you do find a good source of mushroom poisoning statistics, please let me know. I'd be particularly interested in an authoritative source on gyromitrin poisoning cases in Finland and Scandinavia, for the False morel article (which currently cites a secondary source in Finnish that doesn't itself cite any sources). —Ilmari Karonen (talk) 16:11, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Is this a Death Cap

Hey, does anyone know if this is a Death Cap. It was in my front yard, and if it is one, it would be a good picture to put in the article. Newnam^(talk) 18:32, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Well, there's an easy way to find out, but you may want to have someone else try it. --Bobak 00:18, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

I know nothing about mushrooms, but it doesn't seem anything like the picture in the article page. It seems completely white, to begin with. Rbarreira 14:14, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

It might be a Destroying angel or a False death cap. Since there seem to be flakes on the top I'd opt for the second (nontoxic) one, but you'd have to smell it to be (more) sure. Han-Kwang 20:52, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

If I am to be asked, that is not Death Cap but its close relative, Destroying Angel (Amanita virosa). It is about as deadly as Death Cap.194.89.192.24 08:22, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

No, it doesn't look like Amanita virosa either. Amanita echinocephala ? What country are you in? There is a detailed amanita genus page - maybe email them as there are 600 species (link on main Amanita page. cheers,Cas Liber 12:51, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

It looks to me like one of the "Lepidellas" – Amanita smithiana, or something like that. And to reemphsize, stating what part of the world "your front yard" is in, what kind of habitat it is, etc. is extremely important in identifying anything. As with any organism, different places get very different sets of mushroom species. Peter G Werner 13:27, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] possible treatment

In Romania intoxication with A. phalloides is common. Romanian doctors observed that by giving huge amounts of penicillin (more than 10 times the normal dose) to the intoxicated pacients might live. This has been explained later by hungarian doctors. Penicillin and the toxin from Amanita take action on the same receptors on the membrane of the liver cells. So penicillin creates bonds with the receptors and stops the amanita toxin to enter the liver cells. But there still remains the kidney problem, which can only be solved through hemodialysis. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Doktor bogdi (talk • contribs) 10:50, 17 November 2006.

Sounds interesting (hopefully I never have to use it personally :)). Has it been published in a scientific journal? cheers, Cas Liber 12:53, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Lets get the Milk Thistle info up on this page. http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/archive/2007/January/14/local/stories/01local.htm

We have earlier clinical trials found in Google Scholar. Now we have an emergency drug trial that proved successful for a large number of the patients admitted. And we have a newspaper article on the subject. Seems like it's time to update the cure to encyclopedic knowledge level. - 24.118.119.14 08:53, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

i don`t think it has been published anywhere yet......

i`m a medical student and i know this from Prof. Dr. Florescu Petre —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Doktor bogdi (talk • contribs) 13:17, 6 February 2007.

Actually, its been published in many places – do a PubMed search with "silymarin amanita" or "silibinin amanita" and you'll find quite a bit. Here is a particularly notable reference. Note that its typically not "milkthistle" (like you'd buy in the health food store) that's used in treatment, but rather silymarin, a crude extract of milkthistle, or pure flavinoid silibinin. Peter G Werner 12:45, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

I am hoping to get a chance soon - got the book by Benjamin which is really interesting and has lots on all this stuff Cas Liber 12:57, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Deadly White cap?

I have never heard of this common name, has anyone else? cheers Cas Liber 20:31, 3 January 2007 (UTC)