Talk:Altruism in animals
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[edit] Kamuniak
To me the mention of this lion seems out of place within the section. the other examples are very general and then this one is specific. I suggest removal, or perhaps a new section like "Specific examples" or something to that effect. Gritironskillet 03:08, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Checking facts
May I suggest that the author of this page puts his preconceived ideas away. He should particularly note Williams Revolution, group selection, evolutionary game theory hawk-dove game, prisoner's dilemma and learn some natural history. Dunc|☺ 21:20, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- Oh and Hamilton's rule, kin selection and inclusive fitness. Dunc|☺ 21:22, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
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- See also naturalistic fallacy. Dunc|☺ 21:35, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
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- Although censoring me is one option, I'll request peer review. Dunc|☺ 00:34, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)
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What bothers me about this page is that I'm not at all sure the current content is substantially different than the evolutionary section on the Altruism page. It is also not a standard terminology in the slightest -- aside from being grammatically questionable, a Google search for the term only shows up pages in Wikipedia, its mirrors, or other wikis. Looking to animal behavior for signs of evolutionary ethics is a much wider endeavor than this page indicates; and to really fill it out would only duplicate content which ought to be on sociobiology. A page on evolutionary ethics could be interesting if done well, though again it would duplicate a lot of work in the other articles, and would probably have to be done from a historical perspective (what various scientists have speculated, over time, about this subject, from Darwin to the present). I don't think the page does a lot of harm at the moment, though, even though it is very incomplete. ---Fastfission 05:02, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)
[edit] Pleasant Article
Would that we humans were more like toward each other.
[edit] Suggest re-name
I thought I'd ask informally first about whether anyone minds I rename this Altruism in Animals? Ethics is a theory or system of principles not a loose collection of behaviours. Acting ethically is acting with an axiom of conduct in mind. Further, altruism is used zoologically to denote exactly what's described here[1]. There would be some redundancy with "Altruism in ethology and evolutionary biology" on the Altruism page but that seems fine as this would be the expansion. The intro also reads like the beginning of personal essay and should be tidied up. Marskell 12:34, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
- I'd support a name change. I think the current title of "Nonhuman animals ethics" is rather confusing. I visited this page after I saw it on RC and was curious about what the article was about. My first assumption was that it had something to do with the ethics of treatment of animals. The current content of the article didn't immediately come to mind, probably because I rarely associate ethics with non-humans. Altruism in Animals would be acceptable to me, as would Animal Altruism. Carbonite | Talk 12:45, 6 October 2005 (UTC)
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- OK I will be bold and move it; I like Altruism as the first word as it will be slightly more distinct in browsing categories. I will work on the intro to reflect th change. The first sentence, "Nonhuman animals ethics account for an explanation of the origins of human ethics," is utterly POV for example. Marskell 15:24, 7 October 2005 (UTC)
i've seen in a documentary elephant protecting some animals(don't remember wich ones) from predators(don't remember neither) mabe neer a point where there is water (mabe in desert but i'm not shure)
