Talk:Alta Vendita

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I'm not so sure about many of the conspiracy theories that many Catholics have regarding the Freemasons or the "Alta Vendita." I remain cautious, but intrigued. This article in itself is rather biased. It hints that this document was forged by the Freemason's opponents, namely Catholics and the Vatican, and that only fools believe it (cp. "it is nowadays considered by serious scholars to be a forgery"). None of these "serious scholars" are cited. Information from the Grand Lodge of British Columbia and Yukon (Question 10) does not indicate one way or another into its authenticity.

The Catholic Encyclopedia also has entries on the Carbonari and Freemasonry.

I corrected the poor language...it said the document is both allegedly written by Masons and is anti-masonic, and endorsed by popes yet anti-catholic.

Niasain 17:14, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. This needs to be looked at. This was seriously believed by two different Popes. The Carbonari were anti-Church. It's not inconceivable that they would have wanted to subvert the Church.

The oddest thing about this is that it was published about 100 years before Vatican II.

JASpencer 23:11, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Is the NPOV tag still needed? JASpencer 16:59, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

I don't think so. I am removing it. Niasain 17:24, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

I think it's odd that people are arguing over a document the text of which is not referred to. Further there is no reference to any analysis of this document. So what are people discussing?--Gazzster 11:47, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Of course it's odd but that's always to be expected when discussing conspiracy literature. Here's a link to an English translation of the "Permanent Instructions" and some other letters by the members of the secret society:

Permanent Instructions of the Alta Vendita

Thank you. I was looking for the text but could not find it. Perhaps someone might like to summarise it for the article, and provide some analysis and commentary? Cheers. --Gazzster 09:30, 22 January 2007 (UTC)