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Contents 1 Childfree Slang 2 refactoring RFC 3 Thanks 4 ArbCom 5 Ref Imacomp sockery 6 Articles you might like to edit, from SuggestBot 7 Jahbulon ready for new AFD 8 User talk:Torinir/SOF UK Mediation 9 Guess who's back? 10 AFD on Landmarks 11 AASR 12 WikiProject on Adminship 13 Socks 14 Thank you 15 Welcome to the Military history WikiProject! 16 Military history WikiProject coordinator election - vote phase! 17 Intelligence 18 Mountain Leader Training Cadre 19 new AfD on Jahbulon 20 Data Representation 21 Military class ring question 22 Military history WikiProject Newsletter - Issue VI - August 2006 23 Paris Commune 24 Royal Marines MedCab Case 25 Your sub pages 26 Masons 27 Special Forces 28 WikiProject Military history Newsletter - Issue VII - September 2006 29 Your user page 30 La Merika 31 Quick decision? 32 Learn to Spell 33 New Job 34 In reference to attempts to find an underlying definition for Blue-water navy 35 The Military history WikiProject Newsletter: Issue VIII - October 2006 36 Charles de Gaulle R91 - Straw Poll 37 We thank you for your support 38 RFC:The Tunnel Rats 39 Reference to your comment on my page: 40 The Military history WikiProject Newsletter: Issue IX - November 2006 41 Need someone not from the USA 42 Duncan's 43 A note on WP:FRINGE 44 Historic military miniature wargaming 45 The Military history WikiProject Newsletter: Issue X - December 2006 46 London meet is TUESDAY 9th, not Wednesday 10th! 47 a little help 48 SRIA 49 RGLE stuff 50 Childfree 51 The Military history WikiProject Newsletter: Issue XI - January 2007 52 Nomination for coordinator 53 RfC regarding RS and statements originating in an affidavit 54 SRIA and SRIS 55 Arbitration commitee 56 AfD on William Guy Carr 57 Vested interests? 58 Pontic Greek Genocide article 59 WP:MILHIST Coordinator Elections 60 User notice: temporary 3RR block 61 Regarding reversions[18] made on February 1, 2007 to Obligations in Freemasonry 62 Input requested 63 Frater Xyzzy 64 Congratulations on new WP:RS

[edit] Childfree Slang

Just wanted to let you know that I have moved your deleted list to a new wiki just for the childfree. [1]

Feel free to stop by - Lciaccio 01:59, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] refactoring RFC

I coulda warned you that Imacomp would use your attempt to make his ramblings legible as evidence of his opponents' malfeasance. --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 17:16, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

If he keeps this up i'm posting to the ArbCom tomorrow. It's almost like he wants to be banned, there is really no excuse for his behavior. Seraphim 22:16, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] ArbCom

You can't go to ArbCom, without starting an RFC first. See WP:DR. I do tend to agree with you though. Ardenn 23:53, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ref Imacomp sockery

I did not read it as criticism, I just felt it would be useful for the admins to know why I had not filed an RFCU. =) WegianWarrior 16:12, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Jahbulon ready for new AFD

check out the latest on talk:Jahbulon... the article may be ready for a new AFD! Blueboar 03:26, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] User talk:Torinir/SOF UK Mediation

What do you think of my suggested compromise? It means having them in the UKSF article again, but with no suggestion they are anything but articles of potential interest. Yorkshire Phoenix (talk • contribs) 11:33, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Guess who's back?

I'm pretty sure we have Lightbringer active again on the Anti-Masonry article, using what looks to be a range of open proxies in Korea. I can't stay and keep an eye on it (and have three reverts allready), but decided to let the other regular editors know about it. I've reported the open proxires he used so far on Wikipedia:WikiProject on open proxies. Thank you, and enjoy the weekend. WegianWarrior 11:09, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

ALR, Thanks for the heads up on the 3RR. It's nice to have a reminder to keep cool sometimes. I put a notice on ANI and it got noticed.  :) Chtirrell 18:10, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] AFD on Landmarks

You wrote: Are you going to raise it on Masonic Landmarks? seems ripe for it tbh, especially after the effort to laod the article then questioning it in talk.

I agree... unfortunately I am not sure how to post it properly... are you familliar with the process? I would certainly support it. Blueboar 21:39, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] AASR

You ask: Just curious, are you a member? ALR 21:37, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Nope... I'm simply tired of people misquoting Pike to discredit the craft. More to the point, I DISPISE the Anti-masonic tactic of using "implied criticism" when facts are shakey. Blueboar 21:50, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WikiProject on Adminship

While I had thought the role of admins in the project was reasonably well understood, you raise a valid point. Any thoughts you might have on the matter would be most welcome at the WikiProject. The Uninvited Co., Inc. 19:04, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Socks

Thank you! I am glad someone seems ho important sockpuppetry is, and how boring it can get!

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[edit] Intelligence

You write about intelligence derived from military instituitions?

You can add the German "Org" (established under the American CSI in occupied Germany, military US intelligence) and BND along. They derived from the Wehrmacht Intelligence group "Fremde Heere Ost" under the Command of Reinhard Gehlen. Sure, I can contribute a bit. Wandalstouring 10:01, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mountain Leader Training Cadre

Have you spotted the revert on this article too? David Underdown 11:02, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] new AfD on Jahbulon

FYI - I have filed a new AfD on Jahbulon. With most of the supporting material for the speculative stuff deleted due to WP:RS issues, I think it is ready for deletion. Blueboar 19:10, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

I have opened a discussion on the AfD talkpage you may be interested in.LessHeard vanU 23:21, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Data Representation

I'm afraid that I don't know quite what data representation is. After googling it seems to be a bit to do with "hard computing" which I do not work in. I hope that answers your question. JASpencer 17:46, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

I honestly don't know what data representation is. Sorry I wasn't helpful on the subject. JASpencer 19:41, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Thank you very much for the explanation, and I'm sorry if I upset you with my ignorance. In short I don't work in that field or any like it. I do spend a large part of my working life presenting unwelcome news to computer programmers - thus I do need to be exact about what I know and more importantly, what I don't know. That discipline may be reflected here. JASpencer 20:00, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Military class ring question

Sorry I can't help you, as most of the US Academies and Military Colleges (which have stones in the rings, that is) allow Cadets/Midshipmen to choose the color of the stone, personally. I know Norwich people who had hematite for their stones, and some who had sapphire. Norwich colors are maroon and gold, and I know a number of Norwich people who chose to mimic this on their rings. but there was no regulation on it, so far as my research shows.--Vidkun 15:27, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Paris Commune

From looking at the removed section and the wording, it might be copyvio from the book (although an 1894 dating puts it in the public domain, I think). In either case, it's likely a direct lift, and it's only one source. I can see why it was removed, but it probably should have been explained, and it probably could have been rewritten. It might also be too tangential, who knows? MSJapan 16:04, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Royal Marines MedCab Case

Hi, regarding the Royal Marines MedCab case, I am going to be the mediator. In this context, I am going to ask the case originator Tashtastic to indicate on the case page what he would like to achieve from the mediation. Accordingly, could I also request that you to explain what you would like to achieve from the mediation, or if you are satisfied with the current version of the article, just to respond to his comments. Thanks, Addhoc 12:13, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Your sub pages

ALR, would you mind if I removed the Freemasonry category links on your sub-pages? While they are interesting (and have great potential for good articles), I feel that user pages should not be given category links, only articles should. Thought I would ask first though. Blueboar 17:08, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

No problem with that, all three are already out in the wild so I'm just keeping a reference copy of the initial state.ALR 17:31, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Masons

I tried to input little information on aftermath, it was reversed, on popes, so, how can we fix this so it stays there?are you an administrator? Did you read the link, i can say any link is not reliable.

[edit] Special Forces

nothing about the links to isayeret.com or specialoperations.com violates the terms of WP:EL. Both sites are widely known and recognized as leading informational sites in the special operations community. Why on earth would you revert them? ⇒ SWATJester ^Ready Aim _Fire! 00:17, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Furthermore, both sites are widely linked on wikipedia: [2][3][4][5][6] [7] for Isayeret, [8][9][10][11][12] [13] [14]linked twice here, [15] [16]. In neither case did I come anywhere near listing all the pages that link to an isayeret.com database entry, or a specialoperations.com entry. ⇒ SWATJester ^Ready Aim _Fire! 00:27, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Your user page

I was interested to read about your masonic interests - I've never seen anyone openly put details about craft lodges and side-orders on their Wiki user page, for that you must be very proud. Definitely an area of shared interest - I should really start an article about Rose Croix. S&F Escaper7 17:42, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Hi there - I saw your comments about my involvement with RC. I've decided to reply "off the article" page because it's has got a bit personal about me, and I don't want to discuss my interest in freemasonry too much. Yes I have been perfected into AAR - that was in April, my next mtg is in Nov, that was why my quest for information on Wiki began. As well as editing Wikipedia, I read quite a lot from it too, although I've learned to use a healthy pinch of salt. I can't see me becoming an active contributor to the masonry pages as a result of what I've read on Scottish Rite, York Rite and Freemasonry. Meantime, my JW's office is keeping me busy enough. Regards anyway. Escaper7 10:24, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] La Merika

Thanks for your support. What these people don't seem to understand is that I have no problem with having an article about this rot... as long as it contains citations as to who says what. All they see is someone trying to delete a "cool" article. Feel free to add comments at: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/La Merika Blueboar 18:32, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Unsure how this works and if you'll see this...Apologies. The link was a useful one and comletely relevant. I didn't realise it was unacceptable to add useful links- there are other links to external sites after all.

[edit] Quick decision?

This was a rather fast enforcement of WP:CITE...

Of course I do realise that you actually changed your mind and removed the ridiculous material that was there. Let's try and find some published information about John Scarlett's future for the article. Nice work otherwise :) --anskas 16:32, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Learn to Spell

The changes you made to my article on the Battle of Top Malo House arn't bad so i'll let that go, but the changes you made to my Raid on Pebble Island article are crap. By the way you spell the word "immediately" not immediatly. See, you learn something new everyday!!

195.137.109.177 18:38, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New Job

Yes, i have one, back in uniform, and teaching. College seems so different to me 15 years later.--Vidkun 20:26, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Captain, reserve promotions are slow. But the irony is, I'm actually a civilian, wearing the uniform . . . contractor.--Vidkun 14:03, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] In reference to attempts to find an underlying definition for Blue-water navy

You are acting like a vandal and this is pure vandalism. Stop it. If you have any issue related to the article it needed to be debated amoung all others rather than you single handely reverting a whole article. Chanakyathegreat 14:42, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Charles de Gaulle R91 - Straw Poll

Can you please participate in the straw-poll in the discussion page of this Charles de Gaulle aircraft carrier ? Thanks. If you have some other users/friends who can also come and give their unbiased opinions, please do pass the word around. Thanks again. Natobxl 23:06, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] We thank you for your support

Thanks for the support on WP:RS re wikis. I tried being ballanced and fair, but it is obvious that JohnsAr is set in his ideas and does not want to take No for an answer. Oh well. The next task will be to get them to shut up about it (or at least to take the argument elsewhere).  :>) Me... I would never turn to a wiki for accurate info. Think about some of the crap that has been placed on the various Freemasonry pages in order to meet NPOV and you will understand why. "The encyclopedia anyone can edit" unfortunately means exactly what it says. :>) (After all, they let ME edit!) Blueboar 18:38, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] RFC:The Tunnel Rats

Hey brother, just wondering if I could get an opinion from you in relation to an article a close friend of mine is attempting to get undeleted. The article in question is of an urban exploration group numbering 2,000+ members. It's been front page news numerous times and had a lot of media coverage as advocates of exploring what mankind has forgotten and is also known for having uncovered numerous WWII fortifications that were lost and / or buried. It's based in Australia and has chapters in Sydney and Melbourne.

User:Vegaswikian listed it for speedy deletion as a non-notable group. The problem is to appeal for undeletion you need at least three votes in support, yet unfortunately no wikipedians seem to bother reviewing such sections of material. Thus, it's terribly easy to speedy delete anything, whether it meets the criteria or not; and almost impossible to have material undeleted.

Discussion with the random deleter appears here and the appeal for reinstate ment is located here. Your input would be greatly appreciated! Thanks in advance if you get a chance to take a look at this.  :) Jachin 22:37, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Reference to your comment on my page:

Fact tagging Kindly cease removing fact tags without actually providing support to the associated statement. Note I'm also going to remove the padding you've added to the SAS intro, it can go in later in the article, the intro is not the place.ALR 18:06, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Fact tagging Did you put it in later in the article, or did you just remove it. It doesn't need a fact tag. Any book on special forces, or on the SAS specifically, will say the same.

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[edit] Need someone not from the USA

Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Peer review/Military brat is discussing the topic of military brats (children of soldiers). It is US-centric. I doubt that no Commonwealth country at least has any reliable sources on the topic. Can you help? Thanks Wandalstouring 02:47, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Duncan's

I am not sure if I would call the differences between Duncan and current work "errors". All Masonic ritual has changed over time (as much as we like to say we do things the same way as they did in 1713, we don't) ... we have to remember that Duncan is over 150 years old... my guess is that he gives a fairly accurate version of US ritual of his time. While Duncan was published in NY, I am not sure if he was actually exposing the NY rituals, some other jurisdiction's rituals, or was promoting some amalgamation ritual in an attempt to develope a "National Standard". All we know is that Duncan says this was the ritual at the time. In any case, while you are certainly correct in pointing out that there are differences between Duncan's ritual and modern RA ritual, we can't prove it without a citation, and I don't think the modern ritual is printed in a reliable source. Blueboar 03:50, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

Oh... there is a new RFC about the unencyclopedic tag on the Jahbulon page... add your two cents —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Blueboar (talk • contribs) 04:47, 9 December 2006 (UTC).

[edit] A note on WP:FRINGE

You may find this interesting for future AfD discussions... This discussion shows that I was initially correct in how and when to apply FRINGE. While it turns out that the other side was (finally) able to find something that met the guideline... we were correct in applying it when we started the AfD. Blueboar 13:59, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Historic military miniature wargaming

Me again. Merry Christmas. It seems you are my favourite British officer.

do you know a bit about these wargames used by the militaries till the rise of computers to emulate wars and battles? Are there sources available to help us reenact such wargames on photos? I would like to use it as a possible measure to illustrate battles and the development in battles from a more contemporary perspective. Greetings Wandalstouring 02:29, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] London meet is TUESDAY 9th, not Wednesday 10th!

Update: Jimbo got his days of the week confused. This is now happening TUESDAY 9th, same place. You may care to sign up again or not - David Gerard 10:44, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] a little help

Do me a favor... I am running up against 3rrr (and to some extent POINT) at George Washington and religion... The issue is Washington's funeral. All the sources say that he had an Episcopal funeral service, but because it included a Masonic service there is a group are insisting that we can not simply leave it at "the Episcopal Order of Burial was read at his funeral." They insist on including an irrelevant mention of the Masonic part of the service, and implying that this made him a Deist. They are insisting that the Masonic service is a religious service. Blueboar 22:04, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

I was already looking at it. I'm not sure what point it makes about Washington, it's a reasonable point to make about the funeral but I don't think you can draw any conclusion from it since that would constitute OR. ALR 22:08, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

I think one of the issues might be the use of the term Chaplain in the ritual extract which has been identified. I can understand why someone might infer that it becomes a service, as such. Since the Chaplain frequently is not ordained then it cannot be a service.ALR 22:16, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] SRIA

Can you verify any of the Masonic and SRIA material in Samuel Liddell MacGregor Mathers? The article claims he was made a Mason in 1877, then joined SRIA in 1882, and "joined their High Council within four years" (by 1886). However, an external article claims he quit Lodge in 1882, which was the same year he joined SRIA, which doesn't make any sense if you need to maintain membership in one to be part of the other. Now, I'm not saying that the external article is any good, it's just different, and gives info not in the WP article. MSJapan 19:44, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I did, and just haven't had the chance to follow up on it as of yet. MSJapan 03:38, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] RGLE stuff

I have left a vandalism tag relating to Regular Masonic jurisdictions on the user's talk page. Grye left one relating to similar edits at United Grand Lodge of England Blueboar 19:50, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Childfree

I replied to your concerns about this article on my talk page. CyberAnth 09:28, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

I replied again. CyberAnth 10:09, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Nomination for coordinator

Hi ALR

I wanted to inform you that I would like to nominate you as candidate for the coordinator election. Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Coordinators/February 2007

Greatings Wandalstouring 23:10, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] RfC regarding RS and statements originating in an affidavit

Hi, ALR. I sometimes look in on the RS Talk page and am always impressed with your comments there and your insights regarding RS. I've posted an RfC related to reliable secondary sources. Don't know if you have time for something so mundane, but it would be great to get your feedback regarding what constitutes RS. Thanks! [17] —The preceding unsigned comment was added by TimidGuy (talk • contribs) 12:38, 26 January 2007 (UTC).

Thanks for your reply. Looking forward to your feedback. We've really been struggling with RS issues, and all parties have agreed that we could use some input from experienced people familiar with the application of the guidelines and policies. TimidGuy 16:38, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Excellent. Really really appreciate your feedback. We've kind of been operating in a vacuum. It's so valuable to have someone with broad Wikipedia experience give his input. Thanks so much. All of your comments were apt and helpful. It was great that you stepped back and looked at the larger picture regarding the section as a whole. TimidGuy 12:12, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your message, ALR. Your contribution was valuable. I was impressed with how you were able to maintain focus on relevant issues. I agree that further discussion may be pointless. I'm surprised that your points weren't taken more to heart. This was my first RfC, and I had thought that cogent arguments from editors actively contributing to shaping the guidelines would be taken seriously.

Again, I also valued your more general feedback. It helped to confirm what I had been thinking in regard to the overall weakeness of the criticism section. TimidGuy 16:18, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] SRIA and SRIS

I've noticed both these articles are very short. I don't know anything about either of them, but could we combine them into a general SR article, and sort of expound on the differences or whatever, without causing another English-Scottish war? :) MSJapan 04:44, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Arbitration commitee

Would you join an arbitration commitee to solve an ongoing dispute? See Pontic Greek Genocide and User talk:LordAmeth#Pontic Greek Genocide for more information. Wandalstouring 13:37, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Seems like there is an agreement to accept the offer, however, people want to interview you beforehand. See ongoing discussion at Talk:Pontic Greek Genocide#Arbitration commitee. Wandalstouring 14:00, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] AfD on William Guy Carr

You may want to see this article and add your two cents to the AfD. Blueboar 15:03, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Vested interests?

ALR, regarding your comment to TimidGuy... I hardly think that you are in a position to be talking about someone else's "vested interests."

But I do respect you for declaring your POV first thing when you responded to the RfC. Tanaats 18:53, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pontic Greek Genocide article

It strikes me that there is little appetite within the editor community to actually find a solution to the issue, in particular with a group of independent voices expressing a position. Might there be another approach to resolution?ALR 20:47, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

The problem is rather the pattern. As soon as one side is willing to give in and achieve a solution from the other side an editor launches an attack that questions the whole process. In my opinion this is more of a problem to lose control. As long as one side feels not safe enough that it will win it is not sure whether to accept. Naturally the persons involved are all smart and diligent editors but the groups they form co-act in an unproductive dynamic. The result is that they can continue to accuse someone else and "try to find a solution". Another point is that for their goal they preferably jump between topics and get things into waters where no decision is possible or only one in their favor.

Possibly a bit similar to Northern Ireland, but without decreasing live conditions in an ongoing conflict. I don't know how to solve it. I fancy with a hijacking commando and a scorched earth fixation (and I don't count on many Greeks/Turks voting me for coordinator). Next point, you could yourself insert your candidature. Wandalstouring 21:21, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Seems like even myself can be wrong. Somehow things do progress. Wandalstouring 13:34, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

I mean you can really do it. Wandalstouring 17:45, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] User notice: temporary 3RR block

[edit] Input requested

When your block is over... I have drafted (at User:Blueboar/drafts) a paragraph or two that I would like you to see, comment on, and add to (especially if you can think of any citations that might be useful)... don't know if I will use it or not, but I thought it worth at least drafting. Blueboar 02:22, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Frater Xyzzy

See here. I suggest you remove the tag from my friend's user page. It's beginning to look like coordinated harassment by you and User:MSJapan. Jefferson Anderson 19:01, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the warning. I think you're digging yourself into a deep pit here, but hey, if that's what you want to do, go right ahead. Jefferson Anderson 19:42, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Congratulations on new WP:RS

Hello, I've been on wikibreak and just noticed that the rewrite, which you did substantial work on, has been adapted into the official guideline. It looks great. Congratulations!  : ) Armedblowfish (talk|mail) 02:57, 6 February 2007 (UTC)