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[edit] Freemasonry

Please do not re-add "society of secrets" to the article. It's not accurate. You base your reasoning on the means of recognition being secret. By that reasoning, the National Eagle Scout Association would also be classified as such. MSJapan 19:59, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] OUR12:)

So your an Engineer, and sort of Scots (GL of). Do you know James T. Kirk? I hope you'll join the 'regular' crew. We are a robust lot, so if you feel that you have had your 3rd over again, then - mark well - it is not personal. :) Millennium Sentinel 23:17, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Freemasonry Edits

If you have the source then we'll go with "antient." That's fine.

I also agree there was some redundancy with respect to the Grand Lodge article. I took care of that. Thanks for catching that.

It seems to me there's quite a bit of difference between Masonic practices in the US and UK. I'm beginning to think separate US and UK articles on the York Rite may be in order. What exactly are you referring to since I do believe that precisely the sort of thing that should be clarified and addressed. --Faustus37 20:31, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

I changed the wording on the role of EA and FC. I think this will work. I like the progress we've made with this one.--Faustus37 21:31, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

Actually, I find that some things differ depending on the jurestiction you are in (State By State) I am a PA Mason in the Ancient York Tradition and we differ slightly or even considerably from our surrounding Scottish Rite neihbors to the South and the East. I am not sure if this helps, I hope to talk to you soon brother.

[edit] Rathbone

He appers to be a bit thick - besides, if he claim he didn't do his own edit, I guess the only explonation is that his account has been hijacked *rolls eyes*. Probably by the masonic cabal that runs Wikipedia or something...

Seriously, my main gripe with him is his misleading edit summaries - he claims to insert a couple of links while his edits bear all the marks of a blind revert. Which funnily enought reverted a wikilink he himself had inserted minutes before - bet you he was going to blame that one on the masonic cabal.

Funnily enought, now he managed to claim that it's the "NPOV edits by a large group of Masonic editors here, that is the problem here". So he has a problem with things having a neutral point of view? Interesting...

Got to give up on Wiki today... has to be in the Lodge by 1800 ;) WegianWarrior 13:54, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

I will do my bit... but I will not be able to do much today. Blueboar 14:07, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

The problem is, he is going to KEEP putting it in there. The other problem is that the sources he is using are out where anyone can find them. However, like other traditional groups I belong to, we, as Masons, do not have to deny or confirm the validity. It's a power trip for the antis: none of them think anyone is going to use the information to try and get into Lodge, and those who do try, well, they are in for wuite a surprise, especially outside of the US. What I'm most annoyed with is his attempting to say "I didn't do what you are accusing me of" when all anyone has to do is look at edit logs and contribution summaries. We aren't going to win on this one, trust me. I spent four years fighting antis on alt.freemasonry, and I, like every other Mason, Regular or not, gave up. It can't be done. All we CAN do is continue to slap POV warnings on the article WHEN anti hijack it. "By their fruits you shall know them," is the best advice on this issue. Let THEIR rabid fanaticism indict them, let our calm rebuttal on the discussion pages, show the truth, ever remembering to keep our passions within due bounds.--Vidkun 15:03, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

In the other Craft, we have never given up dealing with the lies and misinformation put out about us: we simply let our actions and good names speak for themselves. I suggest we let this anti burn himself out, leave him alone. I will, however, add some commentary about Duncan's AGE, and leave the rest to the reader's understanding.--Vidkun 15:13, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:WikiProject Environment

As a fellow Wikipedian environmentalist I would like to welcome you to help with the Wikipedia:WikiProject Environment. Alan Liefting (talk). 09:18, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] RE: my talk page - Women in Freemasonry

I live in the US and "In North America, women cannot become Freemasons per se, but rather join an associated separate body with its own traditions. Order of the Eastern Star (OES) was created in the United States in the mid-19th Century for female Masonic relatives and Master Masons. Its members are mainly the wives and daughters of Master Masons." I can't become a mason, I can become an OES which is not the same thing. I didn't see you bring it up the first time you mentioned it :P Seraphim 22:43, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

It's not masonry though :) Therefore my point stands :p Seraphim 22:53, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
Also not only can you not sit in lodge with them, they don't have the same rituals/requirements/secrets/teachings/symbols. Plus i'm not really interested in this stuff, he just wanted to know if we were masons or not to get an idea of any possible bias. Seraphim 22:58, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Secrecy Section

I do keep getting sidetracked by other issues. I feel that it's better to get all the other issues addressed before I try to change the main freemasonry page so everyone is on the same page. Seraphim 21:45, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

If I post it at the wrong time without all the issues that will come up already addressed then I will be hurting the chances of getting it included in the article eventually. I'll post it when the time is right. Seraphim 23:25, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Prove or retract

ISTR seeing the suggestion that the individual concerned was likely to be intimately associated with a recently blocked sock-puppeteer, and the areas of interest are very similar. Unfortunatly it does nothing useful for the article :( ALR 20:00, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Prove or retract this very serious charge - at all the places you have posted it. Otherwise be prepered to have an admin block you. Imacomp 20:27, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

From my talk page: My statement is that I saw the identification, not that I agree with it. HTHALR 20:42, 24 February 2006 (UTC) Copied here Imacomp 20:55, 24 February 2006 (UTC) So propergation of an abuse is ok, if you say "I only saw it done and stood by"? Nice :( Imacomp 20:55, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

For Reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Sock_puppetry#Reporting_sockpuppets ALR 21:06, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lock

I requested that the page be locked untill mediation starts. It is obvious that we will not reach any consensus and further editing will only be destructive to the article. Seraphim 22:04, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Jahbulon RFM

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[edit] 3RR on Jahbulon

You probably broke WP:3RR on Jahbulon. I'm not going to block you now for it, but please read the rules very carefully if you plan to go a-reverting again. Better still, don't revert war. William M. Connolley 21:02, 1 March 2006 (UTC).

I've chosen not to participate in Seraphims debate and representation of the dialogue that has gone on, but I take the point that I should probably have dealt with the inability to reach a mutual understanding of the available evidence in a different way.ALR 21:12, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Diatribes

What I did was to exert my right to question administrator's actions. Your removal of the masonic responce after being requested not to on the talk page is blanking, I didn't think it would be an issue becauase I stopped editing the page once you put up the warning, but apparently you decided to go ahead and file the 3rr anyway which was in my opinion in very very poor taste. I was pointing out to him that he was wrong to block me for 3rr, I actually had 2 admins offer to remove my block(one of whom I asked to just lock the page instead), but it had like an hr left at that point so I didn't want to get them involved in an admin war. If he had done the research he is required to do in 3rr violations he would have seen that you have a habit of making 3 reverts then stopping, which is a violation of 3rr, and that you actually had 4 labled rv's within 24 hrs, and due to blocking policy he must block you also. Admins make mistakes. Lets not contact each-other untill the mediation starts. It is impossible to have a conversation that gets anywhere. Seraphim 21:21, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New and Improved puppets on Freemasonry.

I notice that A12 has finally started to push his POV agenda onto the actual article by posting his section on the signs etc. ... picking up right where Basil/lightbriner left off. If he is not a sock, then he is certainly a meat puppet. But caution... Don't go over the 3rrr. Blueboar 18:50, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] I agree with your edit to Freemasonry article.

I think it is very appropriate to point out the role of a "promise" in regard to keeping "secrets." Lottamiata 04:42, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] FM

Thanks for the info. I've actually visited a few newsgroups in the past, but due to my time constraints and changing schedule I haven't given much thought to joining. Once my schedule becomes a bit more stable, I'll look into it again. Ardenn 23:03, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Stop Vandalizing My User Page

Users are not allowed to place sockpuppet tags and other allegations on other Users pages.40 Days of Lent 05:25, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

As a matter of fact, they are. MSJapan 06:03, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] User RFC

I'd like to do an RFC on Seraphim, but I need to find out if it has to be done based on the past 48 hours, or just be able to show evidence of attempt at resolution within a given 48-hour period. Furthermore, it requires at least two users involved in the debate to file the RFC, so I was wondering if you'd be willing to get involved in it, as it's you and me more than any others who seem to be repeatedly trying to explain the same things. As a note, did you notice LB picked up on the same arguments we used on Jahbulon to contest his latest 3RR? I guess siding with so-called "Satanists" is OK if it serves the required purpose. Maybe somebody needs to remind his next sock that he needs to go confess his sins, because thought is as good as deed. I'm getting a bit off-topic, but I'll clarify the RFC process requirements and get back to you if you're interested. MSJapan 23:42, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Have you had a chance to take a look at it yet? MSJapan 14:02, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WP:NPA

Please see Wikipedia's no personal attacks policy: There is no excuse for personal attacks on other contributors. Do not make them. Comment on content, not on the contributor; personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that you may be blocked for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thanks.

To provide an audit trail:

  • My comment: [[1]]
  • Seraphims removal of my comment: [[2]]
  • My re-insertion of the comment and associated comments: [[3]]
  • FWIW it's unfortunate that an editor chooses to attack me by characterising innocuous comments as personal attacks.ALR 20:27, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
From WP:NPA "Accusatory comments such as "Bob is a troll", or "Jane is a bad editor" can be considered personal attacks if said repeatedly, in bad faith, or with sufficient venom." I feel like you saying "So I look forward to you actually making a substantive contribution to the article then? It's about time." is said with sufficient venom. I have re-removed your personal attack. Seraphim 23:55, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Please do not make personal attacks on other people. Wikipedia has a policy against personal attacks. In some cases, users who engage in personal attacks may be blocked from editing by admins or banned by the arbitration committee. Comment on content, not on other contributors or people. Please resolve disputes appropriately. Thank you.

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[edit] Lichtenauer Erklärung

I was permitted to publish the signees: Talk:Catholicism_and_Freemasonry#Lichtenauer_Erklärung

--SGOvD webmaster (talk) 19:18, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sockpuppet

I think JeffT is a Lightbringer sockuppet. I am longer than 1 year with German Wikipedia, but I have never seen such a penetrant user and not a single one with a religious motivation. Perhaps you've seen that our German article about Freemasonry even got a small award. I'm quite astonished that there are only so few Masons who contribute here, since there should be much more English speaking people who should be able to use Wikipedia. --SGOvD webmaster (talk) 08:19, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

I've come to the same conclusion as SGOvd, and notified an admin who has experience with Lightbringer about it. The main thing that tipped me off was JeffT's edit, with no summary, which was a revert to a edit made by a previously banned sock. WegianWarrior 10:53, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
And I think we have the same issue with ABrowne . . . --Vidkun 12:07, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
I agree - no reason to run the risk of 3RR. However, Ive discovered a tool we can use to our advantage - the new edit count tool includes graphs of when an editor is most active. If we just sit thight during his most active periodes, we can come back and clean up afterwards. I've linked to some of the more active accounts:
Lightbringer [4]
Basil Rathbone [5]
40 Days of Lent [6]
Fyodor Dos [7]
Neat toy :) WegianWarrior 11:51, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rosslyn

I've seen that you are from Scotland. I'm interested in the Rosslyn Chapel and I have bought this Rosslyn Chapel Virtual Tour - CD. There's nowhere this picture, but I've seen this carving in the Rosslyn Chapel online shop, but now it disappeared. In my opition this would be the best indication for Masonic activity in this chapel, but I cannot find any source how old historians expect this carving is. Besides other Masonic symbolism, as someone who thinks that women should have the same right to become a Freemason, I found this text of the Apprentice Pillar really fascinating: "Wine is strong, a king is stronger, women are stronger still, but truth conquers all". Not only because women are stronger then men (if you read the bible text) and the king, but also because truth is the highest good. And if I read this text from 1693 which is owned by the Grand Lodge of York, I think the old masons were much more liberal as many might think: the elders taking the Booke, he or shee (sic!) that is to be made Mason shall lay their hands thereon, and the charge shall be given. York Manuscript No. 4. Nobody would write this for exceptions. Besides, time changes and I think being Mason means being more liberal than others. Something like this should never happen again:

Our chief object in visiting England at this time was to attend the World's Anti-slavery Convention, to meet June 12, 1840, in Freemasons' Hall, London. Delegates from all the anti-slavery societies of civilized nations were invited, yet, when they arrived, those representing associations of women were rejected. Though women were members of the National Anti-slavery Society, accustomed to speak and vote in all its conventions, and to take an equally active part with men in the whole anti-slavery struggle, and were there as delegates from associations of men and women, as well as those distinctively of their own sex, yet all alike were rejected because they were women. Women, according to English prejudices at that time, were excluded by Scriptural texts from sharing equal dignity and authority with men in all reform associations; hence it was to English minds pre-eminently unfitting that women should be admitted as equal members to a World's Convention. The question was hotly debated through an entire day. My husband made a very eloquent speech in favor of admitting the women delegates.
Elizabeth Cady Stanton: http://www.gutenberg.org/files/11982/11982-h/11982-h.htm#CHAPTER_V

Sorry for my importunity. --SGOvD webmaster (talk) 08:19, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Regularity

I've added my information about Regularity: [8]

My information is derived from my "Internationales Freimaurerlexikon", I own another one from around 1900 called "Lenning" (probably a pseudonym of the Mason Friedrich Mossdorf, Max Hesse's Verlag, published by the association of German Freemasons). BTW: Is there no English Masonic Dictionary or Encyclopedia? The only one I found and bought was "10,000 Famous Freemasons" by William R. Denslow and Harry S. Truman). --SGOvD webmaster (talk) 02:54, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Supreme Being Redirect

And I redirected Supreme Being to Great Architect of the Universe. An IP changed User:Sam Spades Redirect from God to Deity, then User:Millennium Sentinel insisted in "God", this User is not active and the now blocked User:Skull 'n' Femurs added to his user page we should talk with him instead.

In the Old Charges by Anderson, there was no explizit, perhaps an implizit need for a Mason for some belief. Then this was changed by the Basic Principles to a need to belief in the Great Architect which was finally changed to a "Supreme Being". It is much harder to tell someone this is just a "symbol". Ask some buddhists. :-) Even if I read my old "Lenning" dictionary for Freemasonry -> "Baumeister, der grosse des Weltalls": It says that this is the Masonic word for God as the constructor of the world. It says that Anderson and before him Eugenius Philalethes jun. (Long Livers(sic!)) used this term. Furthermore it says that you won't find this term before, but this term is very old and can be found in the bible (Heb. 11, 10).

--SGOvD webmaster (talk) 02:54, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Please review my changes of Great Architect of the Universe, too. To my sources, the Great Architect is based on deism, so I removed the words "God" and replaced them. --SGOvD webmaster (talk) 03:58, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Templar stone

I have a picture from the older Stone behind, this should be the actual stone. It shows a sword and a big key. The foot of the key shows an I and an E?. Beneath (still on the top of the stone) it is something written in capital letters (without spaces?). First, a Cross pattée (similar to the last one on that article page) then something like: |W|I|L|L|?|H?(not A!?)|M?|D?|E?|S|T?(small)?|????

Although I enhanced the picture I could not read this "William St. Clair" for guarantee.

--SGOvD webmaster (talk) 02:54, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Re: Red Fox image

Thanks, ALR! It's one of my favorite photos. :) This is the original, in case you're interested. Cheers, Sango123 (e) 17:38, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Barnstar

I award this Barnstar to ALR for recognition in the field of Tyling Wikipedia Freemasonry. Talk Jachin 06:44, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
I award this Barnstar to ALR for recognition in the field of Tyling Wikipedia Freemasonry. Talk Jachin 06:44, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

For your ongoing efforts in maintaining FM articles, I just wanted to give you my grattitude and some Wiki fluff. Your deeds are appreciated brother. Jachin 06:44, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] AfD for List of Anti-Masons

here MSJapan 01:46, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Stevevertigo

I would prefer not to get into an edit war, but he's fast becoming a problem, notwithstanding the fact that he's obfuscating changes by editing section by section, not citing, and then tagging the changes as minor. Frankly, the article looks like crap now, and I've asked for admin assistance as well. Can you rv Steve's edits after he's decided he's finished making a mess out of the article? I hate to do it, but I'll ArbCom him if I have to; he's already been ruled against once. MSJapan 05:18, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Gives Grip

I'm currently juggling three “Order Chairs”, help! (Imagine a younger Victor Hugo in USAF “mirror shades” – a can o’ beer in one hand, Ritual in the other) Its Summer!  :) Imacomp 21:01, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Freemason conspiracy theories

FYI: A new user (he's allready given us his IP) on this page inserting Lightbringer'esqe material (but probably not Lightbringer in person). Ought to be keept an eye on, and I sadly do not have time to be on Wikipedia much these days. I'm putting this on the talkpage for several of the more active editors on Freemasonry realated articles. WegianWarrior 03:21, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks!

Thanks for weighing in at Knowledge management, I appreciate it. Cheers --AbsolutDan (talk) 16:39, 18 June 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Leaving?

Gonna miss you ALR! Didn't get much of a chance to agree with you on any article, but that doesnt mean you didnt add credibility to Wikipedia. Hope you return someday. Bye. Zos 23:55, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

I see you've returned. Back on the wiki-square! :p Zos 01:34, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hiram

I actually thought of removing the "religion stub" tag on Hiram Abif myself... but then I thought - you know, more than half of the article is about the Biblical Hirams that the Masons might have based him on. So in a way, it IS a religion stub. Just a comment... no need to revert back. Blueboar 21:30, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

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