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[edit] Obituaries list, RIP

Hi there. Hope you enjoyed the eclipse. Time's got too much for me - I'm not going to be able to get the obituaries list on User:OpenToppedBus/ToDo up to date. To be honest I probably couldn't even spare the time to restart it afresh without the missing three weeks - I just don't have an hour a day to keep it updated. Feel free to take it over if you wish. Thanks for the work you contributed in the time that it was live. OpenToppedBus - Talk to the driver 15:06, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Heya

Bishonen pointed me to this comment - I missed it as I went on a wikibreak (well, I deleted my page and started editing anonymously). Yeah, I was damned wikistressed. I was not as upset about the GNAA article as might be seemed, though I was pissed that some people seemed to be objecting to things that I thought weren't reasonable: perspective is a wonderful thing, I probably was wrong. It's just a pity I managed to piss off a lot of good people. I've only started realising that I can do that very easily.

I probably have an apology to make to Giano. I'll go do that now. - Ta bu shi da yu 09:59, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] WP:RM#Proposed changes

If you are still interested in the subject please see WP:RM#Proposed changes. Philip Baird Shearer 21:37, 17 October 2005 (UTC)


[edit] Advise please

When and if does Baroque require a capital letter, please pass comment here [1] ASAP Giano | talk 20:21, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Civility or lack thereof

Hi, ALoan. Is there any particular point where you think me lacking in civility and walking away? Bishonen | talk 16:49, 30 October 2005 (UTC)


[edit] Wikilove?

We've been friends since I fist came here, so I have to say ALoan I was surprised and a little hurt by your comments. I have been completely vilified by that man, and a good few people on that RFA page to, and for what, realising Tony was not quite as nice as those who recommended him for FA thought he was. He has threatened Wikipedia with legal threats, thrown another of his former supporters out of some club/group he runs, taken back copyright music he uploaded, generally been completely foul to anyone who had the guts to oppose him. And now threatens to rubbish the whole project on the internet. You talk about Wikilove and walking away, where would we all be if Bishonen and I had walked away? - on the eve of Tony becoming an administrator that's where. Perhaps the next person he would have crossed would have been less able to defend themselves than me, where would your Wikilove be then. Yes ALoan you just think on that.

I have deliberately only mentioned this business on pages I regularly go and to people who know of the subject, as yet he has wrongly accused me, and Bishonen of whipping up opposition on other people's talk pages, You go through my recent edits and find one instance; and then check his. I only mention this to you now as you seem to be familiar, if in my opinion misinformed, on the subject.

While in spite of his disgraceful behaviour he has received numerous messages of support and pleas to stay. Bishonen and I have received no support from anyone. Let us not fall out, but please do try to be a little more considerate of other feelings. Giano | talk 17:50, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

PS Hoary though has been very nice indeed. Giano | talk 17:53, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] thanks for you kind words

Hi ALoan

Sure, I realise exactly what you're saying. The only reason I haven't withdrawn the nomination is because the longer it continues, the more WP might see that it should be drastically changed. I'm disappointed to find that you've received flack above from two contributors who are important to you; I'm sorry that what might, in calmer times, be seen as even-handed comments, has caused other tension for you. I hope that Giano and Bishonen will move on and enjoy a good working relationship with you.

However, to further my purpose in exposing why this terrible process is very bad for WP, I've decided to paste the above comments onto the RfA page, excising the bits that refer to you. People can hunt down the recipient of those messages if they wish, but it won't do you any harm—just the opposite, I'd have thought.

Thanks again for your intelligent, measured and kind words.

Tony

[edit] delete history

Can you delete my history? (Jessica Liao 00:07, 3 November 2005 (UTC))

Can you delete my userpage's history and talk history? I don't think I'm going to be using Wikipedia anymore. (Jessica Liao 00:36, 3 November 2005 (UTC))

Don't forget to delete my user contributions as well. That's all. Thank you! (Jessica Liao 00:40, 3 November 2005 (UTC))

I see User:Curps has done the first two for you. As he says, the third is not impossible. -- ALoan (Talk) 11:09, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Editing of an archive

Sorry about that, I missed the tag that said it was an archive and assumed it was still an ongoing issue. I'll be more careful in the future. Tev 23:19, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

Well thanks for the generous welcome, it's certainly nice, if a tiny bit late =p Tev 00:56, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] List of U.S. states by elevation on FLC

... finally got around to following your suggestion.. Thanks! -- hike395 14:35, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] DYK

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[edit] they use abusive and illegal measures

These are the arguments posted on the page of "Moldovan language".

For these facts many users have been blocked and more forced to accept an unilateral point of view of the Administrator Mikkalai and 16 years old Kid [[Node _ue]]. He does not bring arguments as we do, instead he uses his power to block many times (for one week or 24 h). Like for yourself, he warned you and mock on you saying that you don't have the right to say something.

I agree with you when you say to redirect to "Romanian language". Anyway "Romanian" was once recognized in the constitution as official language of the Moldova between 1991-1994 and many attempts to remake this were done.

"Moldovan language" is in fact indentical with Romanian language, renamed as a "language" for political reasons by the government. Although similar theories have been fielded for other languages, this proposal is now believed to have been made to serve political purposes only, and nobody has provided any evidence so-far towards the idea that Moldovan and Romanian are not from common linguistic stock.

The term "Moldovan" is also a soviet invention (see Dept. of State & CIA). A separate language based on these was declared and promoted for political reasons, in order to further advance a Moldovan identity separate from that of Romania.

The soviet Russians called people of Moldavia Republic: "Moldovan" because they wanted to create a new nation different from Moldavians/Romanians.

There is also in Romania a region called Moldova.

Russians manipulated people of Republic of Moldova and washed their brains to create a new person, the soviet "Moldovan". The real name in English is Moldavian, in Romanian is Moldovean and in Russian is Molidavanin. So "Moldovan" belongs to no language!

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/1091/moldovan1qp.png

taken from Price, Glanville. Encyclopedia of the Languages of Europe. ISBN 0631220399; Blackwell Publishers, Oxford, UK; April 2000

Very interesting. For those who bother making a click on the link I will cite:

"The name 'Moldovan language' (in Russian, МОЛДaВCKИЙ ЯЗБIK 'moldavskii iazyk'); in Romanian, limbă moldovenească, or, in Cyrillic characters, ЛИMбЗ MOЛДОBeНЯCKЗ was applied in the Soviet Union, as during earlier periods of Russian occupation of the area in question, to the * Romance language used in the Moldavian Soviet Socialist Republic (corresponding more or less to the formerly Romanian territory of Bessarabia, annexed by the Soviet Union in 1940). In reality, 'Moldavian' is nothing else than the *Romanian language as spoken in Moldavia, i.e. both east of the river Prut in Bessarabia (now the Republic of Moldova) and west of the Prut in that part of the former province that remains as part of Romania. Claims made in the post-Second World War period by the Soviet linguists that 'Moldavian' should be recognized as a distinct Romance language were not taken into seriously by western scholars. Under Soviet domination, the *Cyrillic alphabet was in the use in the Moldavian SSR until the passing of a law on 31 August 1989 (i.e. before the break-up of the Soviet Union) proclaiming Moldavian as the official language of the Republic and the use of Latin script. Apart from a few lexical differences (mainly technical terms borrowed from Russian rather than, as in standard Romanian, from western languages), the written language was thenceforth indistinguishable from that in use in Romania and moves are afoot to harmonize the technical terminology of Moldova with that adopted in Romanian specialized dictionaries. After the Republic of Moldova declared its independence of the Soviet Union in 1991, its Constitution (1994) declared that the official language was limba moldoveneasca 'the Moldavian language'. At the time of writing, moves to have this amended to 'limba română' the Romanian language have not yet succeeded.

Heitmann, K., 1989, Moldauisch. In Holtus, G., Metzeltin, M. and Schmitt, C. (eds), Lexicon der Romanschinen Linguistik, Tübingen, vol 3. 508-21.

GLANVILLE PRICE"

Even at the internationally level (officially) is recognized that in Moldova the people speak romanian. Just for your record the US State Dept. (their foreign office), the french ministry of foreign affairs(France), the UK foreign office (UK), the german ministry of foreign affairs (Germany) are stating one think: in Moldova it is spoken romanian. romanian is the official language even if the name is moldovan. For the others motivated "moldovan language" followers please check the links:
  • German Foreign Ministry, Germany
  • US State Department, USA
  • France – Ministere des Affaires Etrangeres
  • UK – Foreign & Commonwealth Office

Others except the Russian are in the same manner. All the western powers refuse the russification attempts.

[edit] Artificial creation of the "Moldavian language". Evolution from Romanian to so called Moldavian

Lately were discovered some facts that prove that the theory of the both languages romanian and "moldovan" - was prefab since the 1812-1918. Some important aspects of the problematics: functioning of the romanian language in the sphere of the laic education system from Bessarabia of the year 1812-1918, the attempts to codyfing the romanian language in conditions of a linguistic situations, causes that determined to degradation of the language compared with spoken romanian on the right side of the river Prut, taking out the name "romanian" and introducing the term "limba moldoveneasca", the intention of the tsarist government "to create a dialect neared to the slavic language".

In the first years of russian occupation (after 1812), because 95% of the population being romanians which they knew only their mother tongue, romanian was admitted as an official language in the institutions of Bessarabia, used along with russian. Gradually the russian language win importance. According to the dates offered by the Dept. for ruling the Bessarabia from 1828, the papers from bureau were held only in russian, and around 1835 it is established a term of 7 years time in which the state institutions will still accept acts in romanian language. As concerning the education, romanian was admitted as language of teaching only until 1842, after that being taught as a separate object. Thus, at the theological Seminar of Chişinău, romanian language is found on the list of compulsory subjects, with 10 hours weekly, until 1863, when the department of romanian is closed for good. At the highschool no. 1 from Chişinău the pupils had the right to choose between romanian and german or between romanian and greek until 9th of Feb. 1866, when the state counselor of the russian government interdicts teaching of the romanian language because the pupils "know this language in the practical mode, and its teaching follows other goals". Around 1871, the tsar published an ucaz "On the suspension of teaching the romanian language in the schools from Besserabia", because "In russian Empire are not taught local speeches".

Two examples of the identity were given: (one is from the constitution of both countries – see the identity)

[edit] Comparison Romanian/Moldavian

The example below demonstrates that a formal text in Romanian and Moldovan may be completely identical, the only difference being the spelling of the î vowel in the word vântul. The colloquial languages show more difference, which varies over the area.

Moldavian Romanian English
Vocala este un sunet din vorbirea omului, făcut cu trecerea sonoră, liberă şi fără piedică, a vîntului prin canalul sonor (compus din coardele vocale şi întreaga gură) sau un semn grafic care reprezintă un atare sunet. Vocala este un sunet din vorbirea omului, făcut cu trecerea sonoră, liberă şi fără piedică, a vântului prin canalul sonor (compus din coardele vocale şi întreaga gură) sau un semn grafic care reprezintă un atare sunet. The vowel is a sound in human speech, made by the sonorous, free and unhindered passing of the air through the sound channel (composed of the vocal chords and the whole mouth) or a graphic symbol corresponding to that sound.
Aşa bunăoară, avem şase vocale ce se fac cu vîntul ce trece prin gură, unde limba poate să se afle într-un loc sau altul şi buzele pot să stea deschise un soi sau altul. Aşa bunăoară, avem şase vocale ce se fac cu vântul ce trece prin gură, unde limba poate să se afle într-un loc sau altul şi buzele pot să stea deschise un soi sau altul. This way, we have six vowels that are produced by the air passing through the mouth, where the tongue can be in one place or another and the lips can be opened in one way or another.
Vocalele pot să fie pronunţate singure sau împreună cu semivocale sau consoane. Vocalele pot să fie pronunţate singure sau împreună cu semivocale sau consoane. The vowels can be pronounced alone or together with semivowels or consonants.

Second example is taken from the Constitution of Moldova and Romania. The identity is more than obvious.

so called Moldavian Romanian English
TITLUL I: Principii Generale TITLUL I Principii Generale FIRST TITLE: General Principles
Articolul 1

Statul Republica Moldova

 Articol 1 Statul român Article 1 (Romanian/Republic of Moldova State)
(1) Republica Moldova este un stat suveran şi independent, unitar şi indivizibil. (1) România este stat naţional, suveran şi independent, unitar şi indivizibil. (1) Romania/Republic of Moldova is a national, independent, unity and undestructible state.
2) Forma de guvernămînt a statului este republica. (2) Forma de guvernământ a statului român este republica. (2) The form of the guvernment of the state is republic.
(3) Republica Moldova este un stat de drept, democratic, în care demnitatea omului, drepturile şi libertăţile ... (3) România este stat de drept, democratic şi social, în care demnitatea omului, drepturile şi libertăţile ... Romania/Republic of Moldova is a state of low, democratic, in which the human dignity, rights and liberties...
[[2]] [[3]] Links to the official page of Constitution for both countries

As you can obvious see from these examples they are identical. We speak here about one language. But they Mikkalai and Node_ue don't accept such examples and they constantly delete them without any argument. They delete them because the examples demonstrates all …

[edit] Re: RFA

Thanks, but it seems a bit scary at the moment. I might pass, it's not that (and, looking back, the last RfA was pretty useful - it just took two months to get over the damn thing), but I think it's too much responsibility for me, who's predominantly an article-writer (and -saver ;)). I think I'm busy enough already. But thanks for the thought! Sam Vimes 21:59, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

for the comments on Objectivist poets, but I think I'll do the full Peer review stint. You never know what improvements might happen. I'm amazed that nobody has commented on the images, but I can't find anything that's free/PD for any of the others. Filiocht | The kettle's on 11:10, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

You're just too nice for your own bloody good! Giano | talk 21:14, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Ladies cricket

Thank you very much for the information.

--Dore chakravarty 21:19, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Featured List July 20

I posted a reply to your comment on Wikipedia:Featured_list_candidates/July_20. PedanticallySpeaking 15:51, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] DYK

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[edit] Umrao Singh

Hi! Apologies for the late reply. I don't recall reading about him in the Times of India and Mumbai Mirror and the first time I heard about him was from you. Here are some Indian sites on him: [4], [5].

About the geography details, I guess you meant the place of his birth. I have clarified the location. Punjab is a region divided between India and Pakistan. The Indian part was bifurcated in 1960 into Punjabi-speaking Punjab (Indian state) (mostly Sikh), and Hindi-speaking Haryana (mostly Hindu and Jat).

Subedar Major does exist, but is a redirect page. Regards, =Nichalp «Talk»= 07:54, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] TFA comments

Your comments on TFA were 100% right on the money. I don't know where people got the impression that that page was for voting (I suppose I should have clamped down on it sooner), but I am more than a little irritated at Brian0918 for causing the controversy around the December 25 choice. Raul654 14:13, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Hi

And thanks for the support on Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Objectivist poets. Is it just me, or has the old place gone all confrontational and nitpicking of late? Filiocht | The kettle's on 16:05, 28 November 2005 (UTC)


[edit] Cricket

I don't suppose you would like to use your cricketing knowledge and fill an important red link for me about a Victorian/Edwardian cricket team called I Zingari. Although my family always spelt it "I Xingari", but they were of course foreign and probably played as well as they spelt! Giano | talk 21:33, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

Gosh well done ALoan, I didn't know they still played. Look at all the pages that link there too did you fix them or were thay laredy there waiting to be filled?, Now what do we know about the Old Stagers of Cantabury? Giano | talk 13:25, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
  • You're getting very fast, that's great, one mnor quibble according to the book written by his GG grandson (who may have been biased) the Old stagers were founded by Spencer Ponsonby, who is the part subject of my yawningly boring new page here [6], more interestingly I had assumed the old stagers were another cricket club, glaringly obvious now they are not! Thanks, feel free to de-red any other links, don't feel tempted to copyedit it at the moment, as I shall change it all a 100 times yet, I'm not happy wit the layout, and I've yet to even start the architectural part which is the reason I am writing the page in the first place. Giano | talk 14:26, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] DYK

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[edit] Regarding supreme court

My apologies on the move -- I thought that the actual state of the article was the very poor revision that existed when I saw it and redirected, which was US-centric anyhow. I did the redirect based on the fact that the article on the US supreme court was superior to the vandalised version. The pre-vandalism version that you restored is much more appropriate in the end. --Improv 15:31, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Christmas day

Will you be actually looking at Wikipedia on Christmas day, I think there should be something improving and holy, Sicilian Baroque for instance! Giano | talk 15:33, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

I'll be looking at the ceiling from the sofa, myself. Filiocht | The kettle's on 15:41, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
Best Christmas I ever had I was looking at the sofa from the ceiling Giano | talk 15:43, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
But whose sofa? That's the question. Filiocht | The kettle's on 15:56, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
Never asked her her name! Giano | talk 16:20, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
(OK, ALoan relax - I'm going home now, another hard day completed)

[edit] Newton

Newton's article is already scheduled for the main page on December 13th, so please stop proposing it for future dates. — BRIAN0918 • 2005-12-1 18:14

[edit] South African national cricket captains

Thanks :) It was easier than I thought, actually. Never discovered the "captained by" feature on Stats Guru before. Sam Vimes 19:59, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Tied ODIs

Can I start a major notes section like those in triple hundreds. There is a quite a bit of trivia to add Tintin 15:52, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

I'll add the match links later today. I do agree that a lot of the so called trivia that I add are too trivial :-) I'll add those to the article talk page from where you can move the more relevant ones to the article. Tintin 18:07, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Preston Plucknett

I shall be awarding a special "Siciliano order of merit" to the editor who contributes the most words over the next two days to Preston Plucknett. This important page is essential to the survival of our encyclopedia, and indeed mankind - a species which probably originated from Preston Plucknett. The Irish editor has already refused, the American editor has pleaded ignorance, hence it is left to us in Europe to say: "Advance Mankind and Preston Plucknett!" Giano | talk 21:43, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Sadly you have not won the esteemed Preston Plucknett award, but I'm giving you one of Sicilia's she goat kids, for your esteemed works elsewhere on the site, and contributions to Christianity! (I'm not joking) and architecture. She's called "Ninfa" after the honoured saint. Giacomo
Sadly you have not won the esteemed Preston Plucknett award, but I'm giving you one of Sicilia's she goat kids, for your esteemed works elsewhere on the site, and contributions to Christianity! (I'm not joking) and architecture. She's called "Ninfa" after the honoured saint. Giacomo

[edit] Battle of Vaslui

Hey,

Last month I asked Raul whether my article on Battle of Vaslui was up to standard for being a featured article. You and Raul told me that it would be good if I had an image of the battle and English references. I now added an image of the battle and an English reference with the ISBN included. What do you think now? Is it up to standard or do I need to fix more things? Thanks. --Anittas 12:20, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] A-ha

You're not wrong! 66.92.237.111 21:36, 7 December 2005 (UTC)


[edit] Thanks

Thanks for the new arrangement, much more artistic. Giano | talk 12:58, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

Not at all. I rarely vote at FA, but when I do go there, I usually have a look at what intersts me and vote on several at once. Far be it for me to tell anyone else what is right or wrong. Have you read the Portugese page, it's quite brilliant, I could have written it myself, and that is part of its problem, its author like me is to passionate on the subject, frightened of missing a fact out, so crams them all in, with his mind jumping ahead to the next one regardless of flow. Perhaps you ought to give it one of your copy edits, before some fool jumps in and alters the meaning and content. Regards Giano | talk 14:35, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
  • Don't trouble yourself Hoary has done a beautiful job. Giano | talk 15:22, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
  • A nice Portugese copyedit - I've just realised what you were earlier referring to! No you are quite wrong - what is that expression about about the beetle in the cobweb? Giano | talk 16:28, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
  • It improves by the moment. Since I wrote it I've been given some more information on the subject, all in beautiful Italian reference books, hence by barbed comment on FAC, so I may well re-write it completely in the new year. Its typical of the English speaking world to presume any definitive work must be in English. Giano | talk 17:28, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] International Red Cross and Red Crescent Movement

Hi there, thanks for nominating this article as a FA candidate but it seems that most people who voted have an issue with the size of the article. I commented on that problem on the respective FA candidate page. To me, the 32k number is not a strict limit but a recommendation to prevent trivial topics from being blown out of proportion. As Tfine80 wrote, there seem to be sort of cultural differences between the German and the English Wikipedia regarding article size and splitting. The German counterpart of this article, for which I'm the main author, passed FA voting with flying colors. The German article about the Geneva Conventions is similar in size, Tfine80 suggested to translate it as well to replace the current English article which is a mess right now. Back to the Red Cross article. As it is right now, three out of four people object solely or primarily due to size without much significant comments on other issues. I would suggest to cancel the FA nomination and try to find a consensus on the issue of size and possible splitting. I strongly object to splitting (and I would prefer a single coherent article over FA status for several smaller ones) but being a Wikipedian I would accept any solution which is based on consensus or a clear majority. My main reason for keeping this topic within one single article is the following. From my experiences, the vast majority of people who don't have insight knowledge of the Red Cross only vaguely know about something like an "International Red Cross". They don't know that there is the ICRC and the International Federation, what the differences between both organizations are and what they have in common. Somebody who arrives at a seperate article about the ICRC might think "Ah! That's the International Red Cross I heard about on CNN.", as might somebody who reads a seperate article about the International Federation. When in reality, the "International Red Cross" at Guantanamo Bay is the ICRC and the "International Red Cross" in the quake-struck areas of South Asia is the International Federation. Both readers would possibly be misled, and even with "See also" in the end or disambiguation links in the beginning of each article, most people would miss the other half of the story. --Uwe 10:12, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Thank you for your comment on my talk page. Actually, you did nothing wrong with nominating the article, and I very much appreciate the compliment which comes attached to that. What I'm unhappy with is on the one side the current influx of edits into the article from people who introduce POV, misinformation, smattering or other similar chunks which they read somewhere, without having the necessary insight into this complicated topic to do substantial and significant contributions. As we say in Germany, well meant is the opposite of well done. That might sound arrogant but as it is right now, the article is not a stub but quite sophisticated and well researched and has reached a rather mature level. In the process of writing the German counterpart of the article, of which the English version is a translation, I spent about $120 on books and other publications with a total of far more than 2,000 pages, and I spent several months of work to prepare a coherent Wikipedia article from those sources. The other issue I'm still unhappy with is the strict insistence by some on a size "limit" which in reality is nothing more than a recommendation. --Uwe 11:08, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] The West Wing is now FA

Thanks to your comments and constructive criticism, The West Wing has now reached featured article status. Thank you again so much for your input! -Scm83x 05:15, 15 December 2005 (UTC)


[edit] Magna Carta

Ah, sorry. Thanks for pointing that out. I'll be more careful next time :-) Take care. SoLando (Talk) 17:39, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Least valued currency unit

Hi,

I got my numbers from xe.com, and some calculation on my own. I'm not sure what's the correct format of citing reference, so I guess I skipped that part.

[edit] Richard Dimbleby lecture

I had the same idea as you of listing previous lecturers, but I did so on the main page without noticing your new stub! So I've reverted my contribution and merged my info with yours. Best regards JRawle 18:38, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Today's featured article/2006

Thanks for setting that up. :) I'll try to help fill those red links soon. --mav 15:23, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Christmas

What is the status on this? Do you know? BYT 14:04, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

I'm no expert at factoring, but on a rough count I get 17 remove and 9 keep, which doesn't seem like 50/50. How will the outcome of the vote be determined, and when will the vote be closed? BYT 14:14, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
Thanks for the prompt reply. How does a vote like this terminate? And when is this one scheduled to close? BYT 15:22, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
If there is clearly a substantial body of opinion for keeping the article as featured, then the body of opinion for it to be de-featured -- and not listed on the mainpage -- would have to be considered twice as substantial.
What I'm trying to figure out is -- how does the direction this vote on the article is headed affect the decision to run it on December 25 on the mainpage?
Do we have to run this on December 25?
Where does a discussion about the wisdom of running it on December 25 take place?
With the KaDee Strickland thing, what I heard was "Nobody objected ahead of time to the article running on her birthday." Well, I'm objecting ahead of time now to Christmas running on December 25, because this article is manifestly not an example of WP's best work. And I'm not the only person who feels that way. Where do we affect the actual "situation on the ground" with regard to this mainpage decision? BYT 16:25, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Christmas mainpage issue and your advice to talk to User:Raul654

Indeed, I have done this already, and have gotten no response from him. What other avenues for discussion would you suggest? BYT 16:32, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

I am waiting to see what happens on the FARC before I do anything. Raul654 17:07, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
The FARC will not be concluded by December 25, and it is a substandard article's placement on the mainpage on December 25 that I am trying to object to.
Last time around, the problem was that I did not lodge a complaint with you about article quality before the date that the article was scheduled to appear on the mainpage. Procedurally, I was supposed to raise these objections beforehand, correct? BYT 17:19, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
As christmas gets closer, I'll consider changing it. Raul654 17:21, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
What advantage do you see in waiting? BYT 17:24, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
It gives more time for the debate to play out. At this point, I'm rather irritated with Brian's guerilla tactics Raul654 17:25, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
It hardly seems fair to allow your perceptions about one user's behavior to outweigh all the objections that have been raised by many others on that page.
The distinct impression I got from the whole KaDee Strickland dispute was that if people lodged substantive complaints with you ahead of time, there would be a fair hearing concerning mainpage placement issues. I'm not really sure that's happening here, and I can't help feeling you've been avoiding dealing with this issue so as to avoid having to address it before December 25.
Let me ask you frankly: Do you feel we have any obligation to run an article about Christmas on December 25 on the mainpage? If so, why? BYT 17:35, 22 December 2005 (UTC)
No, I do not feel any obligation to use Christmas as the featured article on December 25 (or, for that matter, any other religious article). I will address the situtation before the article goes live -- however, prior to that, I will use my discretion as I see fit. In this case, I am using my discretion not to condone or encourage the methods I have seen used. Raul654 19:04, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] UK Portal

Thank you for sorting out the UK portal things for the next couple of months. That's a job off my list of things to do... -- Francs2000 22:49, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] WP:FARC

How dare you! :) — 0918BRIAN • 2005-12-23 00:09

[edit] Polls & TFA

Not at all insulted! Don't worry about it at all. It was my first time in that process. I saw other people "polling" so I naturally thought that was the proper process. When I found out it wasn't, I removed it. No big deal at all. :) Take care -- Shinmawa 02:51, 23 December 2005 (UTC)


[edit] Happy Christmas

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Sicilian Happy Christmas award to ALoan for sevices to Christmas from Giano

It would have been nice to see it on the main page, but I suppose Raul had little choice, his hand was certainly being forced. I am assuming good faith by all, and will pray for them all tomorrow evening, and maybe even light candle to St Jude for Christmas. I'm sure they all have very good reasons indeed, and remember the Lord (like me) moves in very mysterious ways indeed! Happy Christmas! Giano | talk 18:39, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Hey

Hi,

Could you please update the opening of the Dinosaur on the Tommorrow's Featured Article, January 1st? One of the users & I have come to an agreement on the opening & we want it to be perfect, here it is,

"Dinosaurs are vertebrates that range from reptile-like to bird-like in appearance."

We've added the "in apearance". Since I'm not an admin, I can't edit, so this would be much appreciated. Thanks, Spawn Man 05:59, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

We now have the opening of "Dinosaurs are vertebrates that range from reptile-like to bird-like." It's extremely annoying, (this other user keeps using stupid openings). This will probably be the final cut. Thanks again, Spawn Man 08:04, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Re: FARC

I don't see a problem with that. In the next couple of days I'll go through the articles I've defeatured and restore the mainpage templates where applicable. --Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - <*> 06:57, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

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