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[edit] Iowa class battleship

On September 9, 2005 you introdused line to Iowa class battleship article, it was removed/reverted back and forth like dosen times, article got even NPOV tag at some point of time, and there is quite big discussion on discusion page. The line state:

(their only serious competition were the British HMS Vanguard and the Japanese Yamato class)

If you can take a look into discussion and may be contribute to it, it would be graitly apprisiated. TestPilot 22:32, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

Oh, it is ok now. Edit war (hopefully) resolved. Thank you. TestPilot 20:27, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Don't delete me posts

Yer deleted me post on the Blackadder Talk Page. Come on man, that's not nice.--Crestville 16:02, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

that's ok. it was pointless anyway. Just thought you might have a reason for doing it.--Crestville 20:16, 12 January 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Ah ALoanunus Prestito

Judging by the quality of your recent edits [1] you have time on your hands! Perhaps you would like to do one of your famous "light copy edits" here at Olga Rudge, I'm rather in love with her and can't see her faults. You good Christmas I hope? Giano | talk 20:49, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

  • Thanks nice edits! Giano | talk 18:31, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] River Plate

In November 2004 you deleted River Plate see (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Deletion_log_archive/November_2004_%281%29), presumably after the page was moved to Río de la Plata we have a similar situation now, see Talk:Río de la Plata, note we also have a completely separate page Rio de la Plata without the diacritic. Jooler 19:25, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

I don't remember that: I probably deleted it so I could swap it and the redirect to the football team. I have reinstated the disambiguation at River Plate and move the non-diacritic Rio de la Plata to Río de la Plata (disambiguation). HTH. -- ALoan (Talk) 19:39, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Australian Test Cricket Umpires

Thanks for your feedback on this page. Don't take my digs at Poms too seriously. After all, us Aussies are all descended from your riff-raff aren't we? (At least I am - and proud of it!) MulgaBill 02:46, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Portal:Cricket/Featured article

Hi ALoan. See Jon's talk page! I was bold... [[Sam Korn]] 21:34, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, what's your question? How did I move them so quickly? Tabbed browsing! [[Sam Korn]] 21:38, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
No, complete coincidence! Sorry, no can do, I'm afraid. I'm installing my sister's iPod for her... [[Sam Korn]] 21:43, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikifun round 12

This is to invite you to participate in the next game of Wikifun.
Round 12 will begin at 11:00 UTC on Friday January 20. 2006.
-- Ravn 17:03, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] DYK

Updated DYK query Did you know? has been updated. A fact from the article Virgo Stellar Stream, which you recently created, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.


Updated DYK query Did you know? has been updated. A fact from the article Select Vestries Bill, which you recently created, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

[edit] Indo-Greek Kingdom

Hi ALoan. I've put the Indo-Greek Kingdom on the Wikipedia:Featured article candidates pages. Thanks to put in your vote!PHG 14:02, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of South Park episodes

Hey ALoan i've finished the rationales for this page now let me know if you find them acceptable or not Discordance 15:08, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Block-a-sock

Take a look at User talk:70.248.125.230 — there's your AngryBeaver, Big Potato, and Gary the Snail, I think. I'll go dig out a sock template for their userpages. Perhaps you'd like to undo your blocks and block 'em indefinitely as sockpuppets? I don't much like people who abuse our niceness. This person can create a new account and behave, when the autoblock on the IP runs out. Bishonen | talk 23:52, 20 January 2006 (UTC).

[edit] Lala Amarnath

I'll expand Amarnath, CK Nayudu and Vijay Hazare in Feb/March. I have biographies of all the three but don't have access to them at the moment. Tintin Talk 15:35, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] By the way...

... really great work with Rainbow - your efforts were what kept the article featured. --Jeffrey O. Gustafson - Shazaam! - <*> 16:14, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Transvestite lesbians! White slavery! Bad acting! Acting badly!

How did you know about Annelsley? That's some seriously deep trivia. Thanks for the stuff on Charke. Geogre 19:18, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Deus Caritas Est

Ah - though I did say someone couldn't count, I never said who the someone was:) jguk 13:15, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

It's me. If I'm wearing shoes, I can only count to 11. Geogre 17:54, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Killed by the local council

Edward Pilgrim now has the account from the DNB. I have a strong suspicion that an actual English type person could find stuff around Romford and Romford's virtual presence that might shed more light, not to mention archives and stuffs from the Daily Express. (My article is merely a skeleton.) Geogre 15:52, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Are you use it is "Unity" and not "Utility"? (Did they have Utility houses, like the furniture and the clothes?) -- ALoan (Talk) 16:14, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
Street map here, btw. -- ALoan (Talk) 16:26, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Pretty sure it's Unity, with a majiscule and everything, which suggests that it was some sort of Thing. The DNB said that it was a pre-fabricated Unity house. Perhaps that was a company that did early prefab housing? Geogre 16:40, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Oh! From the map, I can tell you exactly where the house that killed Edward Pilgrim is. If we give letters on the Y axis and numbers on the X axis, then his house was at C 1-2, in the brown "works" at the very bottom of the map. He lived on Marlborough St. and bought a lot next door that was eaten by the Mawney Rd. development, so we take the intersection of Malrborough and Mawney, and that has to be it. Geogre 16:47, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Please edit more carefully

Please don't override the warning you seen when you go to save an edit. You clobbered my edit on User talk:Paper33d. Please restore my last edit there. Hu 13:26, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for restoring the edit. I must apologize because I was in the process of restoring it myself and ended up duplicating your restoration and maybe clobbering some other edits too. I wonder if something funny is going on with Wikipedia that it is not issuing warnings like it usually does. Possibly Paper33d is blanking some edits like he or she did initially. Hopefully it is all ok now. Hu 13:37, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rioplatense Spanish

http://www.stanford.edu/~aananda/8HLSFinal.PDF is not working. I read it previously though, so I won't revert, but I really find your insert odd, given our opposite positions at "Río de la Plata". I know it's in good faith, but it's still odd. Sorry for the intrusion.

Sebastian Kessel Talk 15:55, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

This one still works. It may look a bit inconsistent, but I'm sure the Spanish generally is called Rioplatense - that is what the reference implies, anyway. However, that does not mean that the common English name of the river is not River Plate. We are going to have to agree to disagree (and it look like I am going to have to remember Alt-161. -- ALoan (Talk) 16:18, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
The "agree to disagree" thing is the smart thing for both of us to do. As far as the diacritics, I will fight for the redirect from "Rio" to "Río", in case somebody opposes it. :) Sebastian Kessel Talk 19:07, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
Oh, if it is to be at the Spanish name, it has to be at "Río". -- ALoan (Talk) 19:47, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
I agree, but that shouldn't stop a redirect from "Rio", right? Sebastian Kessel Talk 20:25, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
Absolutely not - we should create redirects liberally, particular for pages with a title that includes an accent. I think River Plate is going to end up as a disambiguation page. -- ALoan (Talk) 20:29, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
Then we are in the same page here. Also, I believe RP to be a dab page already. Sebastian Kessel Talk 20:47, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Indo-Greek Kingdom FA

Indo-Greek Kingdom is now a Featured article. Thanks for the great support! PHG 22:24, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Lindsey Davis

Yep, Davis announced last year that she was taking a year off after one-per year for so long, and now Saturnalia is due next March. There's mention of it all here. Barbara Osgood 17:19, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ahhhh!

So that's what Hart Hall is! Man, I looked. When I saw that it was red, I thought that I must have done the link wrong, but I couldn't find anything like it. Then I figured that folks simply hadn't made an article yet. Granted, that's hard to believe, but it was possible. I didn't think that it had changed its name! Great detective work. Geogre 14:43, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Interface standardization

Re:this diff - I strongly disagree. They need to follow the same order in each one so that if someone is browsing from Featured articles to featured lists to featured pictures, the links stay in the same order (rather than confusingly jumping around). That's the reason why having a standard interface is desirable - to cut down on that kind of confusion. Raul654 18:10, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Well, the bottom links are going to change between different sorts of featured content (is that confusing too?) so why should the top ones have to stay the same? If someone is browsing from FAs to FLs to FPs etc, then the current-page one will be black in any event: if we adopt your style, the black one will be hopping about (again, isn't this a little confusing?) whereas my style puts the black one at the top of the list, whichever page the reader is looking at. If one is browsing from FL to FLC to FLRC, then surely it makes sense for the FL link to be at the top of the list each time. -- ALoan (Talk) 18:16, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
It's all right if the links at the bottom change - it's not too terribly difficult to make the inference that clicking on "featured articles" brings up the featured article tools, "featured pictures" brings up the featured picture tools, 'etc. However, to the contrary of what you say, it *is* very much confusing if the links rearrange themselves everytime you change pages, which is exactly what I am trying to avoid. It's not necessary to put the current one at the top because, as you say, it will be bolded black in any event. Rearranging links confuses people with no real benefit. Raul654 18:20, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
<shrug> I think both are potentially confusing. It will only be bolded on the actual page to which it is a link, and it seems rather daft for the first entry in the FL template to be featured articles. Why should the first entry in the list on FLRC be FA? -- ALoan (Talk) 18:24, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
I hope we are not going to fall out over the crosslinks between the various featured article criteria too? -- ALoan (Talk) 18:27, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
No, I definitely do not desire that. The thing is, we've gone to all this trouble to give them a nice, sleek, standard interface. It's supposed to have a nice, intuitive behavior - when you click on a FA link, it becomes black and you get "featured article tools". When you click featured pictures, it becomes black and you get "featured picture" tools. Users do not expect the links to change order - it's very much counter-intuitive behavior, which is what we want to avoid. I have an idea though - if you want, we could make it more explicit by putting an arrow in the various templates to explicitely indicate which section you are in. In other words, you go to "featured picture candidates", and the links are still in the FA/FP/FL/FPO order, but there's an arrow pointing left at featured pictures. Raul654 18:30, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
Now that does sound like a good idea. OK. -- ALoan (Talk) 18:33, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
I've implimented it. Do you like? Raul654 18:35, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
Yes, I think that works. -- ALoan (Talk) 18:54, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
Wonderful. Raul654 18:56, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
I'm glad you're glad. Now, where did I leave my peacocks... ;) -- ALoan (Talk) 18:58, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Numbered lists

"It is not difficult to make sure that the auto-numbering works - just start each line with a hash"

Fixing that in a certain RfA has become a tiresome chore of mine recently - I'll have to remember your succinct edit summary. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 18:24, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
Heh - perhaps I was more, er, succinct, than I intended: also potential unintentional double entendre in the second part... -- ALoan (Talk) 18:27, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
Maybe this is a double-enterndre that doesn't translate to American English. I'm not seeing it. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 19:28, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
Hmm - well, "lines" and "hash" have certain overtones... -- ALoan (Talk) 02:25, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
Heh heh heh. I think maybe it has to do with being either a) old enough to remember the Summer of Drugs, b) the sort of person who has hung out with college students who chuckle over implicit drug references as much as sexual innuendo. Despite fitting both of those, I was thirty before I realized that the band Head East's song's "sweet lovin' woman much better than a white line" was not a reference to the highway. Geogre 11:41, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Template Coat of Arms...

Sorry about deleting some of the templates. I'm new at this, and didn't think that they were very effective. I'll try and put them back in.

[edit] Dwingeloo 1 image

I want to talk about Image:Dwingeloo 1.jpg, you took this picture? You were on the discovery team that found Dwingeloo 1? If so then WOW, I don't know what to say, but you discovered my #1 fav. Galaxy, I honor you. We'll talk about my worshiping you later, to the point. Ryanrs suggested that I ask you if you could release the image under the GFDL, if you are authorized to do so.
— Hurricane Devon ( Talk ) 21:31, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Did they already know?

I can't tell if Sallust's gardens made DYK. It seemed like a cool bit of a thing to know to me. (Note: I am a recovering Classicist who is now almost totally in remission.) Geogre 17:49, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Oh, I got to the gardens via the Borghese Vase, which I got to via the Waterloo Vase, which I got to via Buckingham Palace, which Giano was working on some time ago - I think I looked in after adding Nonsuch Palace. And so the wheel turns. -- ALoan (Talk) 18:19, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Stream of consciousness editing! "I was thinking about foxes, and then that made me think of Heather Locklear, which got me thinking about the Billy Flanegin sketch that John Lovitz used to do, and that made me think about lies, and that made me think of George W. Bush, which reminded me of vandalism, and I always think of some cool graffiti I saw in Athens, Georgia, where someone had written above a prophylactic machine, "Hey, this bubblegum tastes like rubber!" and that made me wonder if we had an [[Category: Condoms]], so I went to look. I saw that we then needed a template: Dickhead for some users, and that's why I got an indefinite block!" Geogre 04:25, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] DYK

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[edit] Bobblewik

Hello, regarding your note at User talk:Bobblewik, I blocked him for one hour to temporarily stop him from making bot-like edits from his main account and allow for discussion on his talk page in the meantime. See WP:BOT, which states "Sysops should block bots, without hesitation, if they are unapproved, doing something the operator didn't say they would do, messing up articles or editing too rapidly." — FREAK OF NURxTURE (TALK) 10:57, Feb. 14, 2006

Unfortunately this has been escalated to a situation where the first person to shut up loses by default, see WP:AN... wait... I guess you already did. — FREAK OF NURxTURE (TALK) 22:24, Feb. 15, 2006

[edit] Gresham college

Hi, I've commented on yr recent edit at Talk:Gresham College. Take a look? cheers JackyR 15:17, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Gresham have been v helpful and I'm expecting data from them shortly. Could you take a butcher's at User:JackyR/sandbox where I have demo-ed some possible layouts? Cheers, JackyR 15:12, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
And also at Gresham Professors of Astronomy, which as yet is pretty much in the form I received it. JackyR 00:24, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Thomas Sayers

Yeah, you are probably right I just got stuck in "copy & paste moves are bad" mode. I agree it doesn't make much of a difference in cases like that. Feel free to re-delete the history if you want to. --Sherool (talk) 17:39, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the copyedit. I have just made one or two minor changes. I did not use any information from the 1911, so have eliminated it from the references. Thanks, I appreciate it. Giano | talk 22:01, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Would you like to have another look at Sayers - I think I've done with him for now. I didn't want him on the fromt page it is not ready - people will jump the gun here so! Just out of interest what do you think of that form of referencing - what is one supposed to do when "Havarding" to an internet site. personally I think it looks foul and incongruous, but then I don't like all this having to justify every statement at all, I've always thought if people are that bothered they can go out and buy the bloody book, just as they must with everything else that carries references at the back. Thanks for the copyedit though - appreciated. Giano | talk 20:02, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

  • No I've no idea who nominated it either? Can't think why, it's not that fascinating. I wish they had not, I've just had to revert some twit who had not bothered to read the page (probably incapable). The referencing, you recommend, (nice article) looks better, do the notes appear by magic at the bottom of the page? - I have huge problem with magic and computers in general because what seems to happen by magic for other people seldom seems to happen for me! Are you sure the assorted odds and sods (who never write a age themselves) who inhabit FAC are happy with this, or will they want to change it tomorrow - one just can't keep track of these people's thoughts - but then I suppose - does one really want to?
Check out the Palazzo Pitti - I seem to remember Lorenzo de' Medici collected ancient vases - sadly he often had them altered and restore very crassly - but I suppose he meant well - do a google I bet it comes up as one of his. See you've been copyediting again, not had chance to look yet - but thanks anyway - sure it's great! Giano | talk 21:11, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
  • How on earth am I suppose to understand that - it would be easier and less stressful to take a resit of "International Economic Law". I don't think I shall ever be in FAC territory again anyway - but I will have a try next time I am half there with a couple of weeks to spare Giano | talk 21:39, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Donoghue v Stevenson

I've had a try at removing repetitions, reorganising paragraphs and restoring NPOV. It's my first try at this for Wikipedia, so if I've messed up, be kindly. Didn't want to be too brutal to the contributor's work, so perhaps I haven't been ruthless enough. Grahambrack 21:05, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re:PII

Yes, thank you for telling me - I noticed ImpuMozhi's remarks almost immediately, and I'm measuring my response. Rama's Arrow 16:28, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Iowa class battleship

Thanks for the vote of confidence, its nice to know that folks still read articles embroiled in edit wars. Some good news, too: MateoP has looked over the edit and vioced his aproval for the current version. If Test Pilot does the same then the edit war should finally be over. TomStar81 00:43, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hi

Hi, thanks for the pointer to the article, but I get almost no time to contribute to wikipedia these days. I still try and contribute bits of information, but I don't think I may continue to contribute in the near future. Regards, =Nichalp «Talk»= 09:32, 18 February 2006 (UTC)


[edit] FACs

Thank you for your comment at Talk:Olga Rudge, I have very mixed feeling still about FACs etc. On one hand I think a page has a wider audience if it is a FA, and who does not like to see one of their pages on the main page - However, I think the current preoccupation with peer reviews, inline citations and God know's what else lead me to the view that it is not worth the effort, a view confirmed by the thorough ignoring "Olga Rudge" received last time - one solitary voter, who did not now what he was talking about and the page failed. I don't feel inclined to see any more hard work rejected in what can only be described as an offhand manner. I did briefly think that "Good article" may be the way forward but this edit summary on my fist attempt [2] (blatantly untrue) has led me to the same conclusion. At the end of the day I know what is a "proper" FA and I also know what is not. I am frequently surprised when pages like "Cynna Neele" are easily promoted, and other pages like "Henry James" seem to have a real problem - and that has rather confused me as to what exactly we are all supposed to be doing to achieve a FA. It seems laws and requirements change depending on the subject. Contrary to my latest series of articles I am not in fighting mood, and I can't be bothered to dance attendance on the "prose police" and the whims of those who know nothing about a subject. Regards Giano | talk 13:53, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] FLRC

The current FLRC now has fewer redlinks. You might want to reexamine it and possibly reconsider your vote. Miss Madeline | Talk to Madeline 19:22, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Leg and Reg Bill

Thanks for your remarks about the Leg and Reg Bill. I am so glad that some other people have taken an interest in it. I have been telling everyone I know about it as soon as I saw the Bill. It is quite the most breathtaking attempt at pulling a fast one by the government I have seen in a long time. Do you have a personal view on it? Do you know if there is a pressure group that is going to act against it, or will either of the professional bodies. The second reading had very little publicity. Francis Davey 21:10, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

It was brought to my attention by Aldabra today (are you aware that son-of-GROGGS continues on the web?). I am intending to write an article in the next few days, if you don't beat me to it. It is an outrageous try-on. I have just found an "anti" Law Society briefing note - [3]. I think the noises are just starting and will get louder as the legislative process goes on. -- ALoan (Talk) 21:17, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
I had no idea son of GROGGS was still around. The Today programme had something on it this morning. I'll leave you to write the article (I am sure you are better at it) unless you want my help, in which case I am happy to give it. One worrying thing is that the minister this morning said that they wouldn't be using it for "highly" contraversial proposals. This has mutated from only using it for uncontraversial proposals, which was where we started. Thus, can we infer that the government are going to create merely contraversial law with it? Francis Davey 16:02, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] DYK

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[edit] Two little Americans

So far, no joy on finding information on those two American biographical subjects (they are Americans, aren't they?). I looked through two versions of the American National Biography today, but I'm not calling it quits yet. Geogre 21:19, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

I am pretty sure that Sara Cone Bryant is American, but Constance Egan is almost certainly English. -- ALoan (Talk) 21:25, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
Goodness Me, Aloan I had no idea you were branching out into new interests [4] I'm sure she'll be more popular than my own dull women! Giano | talk 22:13, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
I hope she is a different Constance Egan - my one produced a son in 1927, so would have been in her late 50s or 60s at the earliest in 1969 - but there is no guarantee. Watch the film and tell me... -- ALoan (Talk) 22:19, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
By the way, how many obelisks in Rome are there, and where are they? -- ALoan (Talk) 22:20, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
  • 10! Giano | talk 22:30, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
  • 1 Esquiline (twin of) one in Piazza del Quirinale
  • 2 Piazza del Quirinale (from mausoleum of Augustus)
  • 3Flaminian Obelisk, Piazz del Popolo
  • 4Lateran Obelisk, Piazza di S. Giovanni
  • 5Obelisk of Montecitorio - Obelisk of Psammetychus II
  • 6Obelisk of Rameses II, Piazza della Rotonda (infront of the Pantheon)
  • 7Sallustian Obelisk. in fore of Trinita dei Monti near the Spanish Steps
  • 8Pulcin della Minerva, the smallest in Rome from Iseo Campense by Bernini has an elephant on top
  • 9 Fontana dei Quattro Fiumi (Bernini) Piazza Navona
  • 10: Aha! Got it the most obvious one - Vaticano in the centre of Piazza San Pietro
  • The things I do for you ALoan! Giano | talk 23:11, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
Obelisks in Rome currently says 7 Egyptian and 4 Roman copies; Obelisks says 12 in Italy of which 3 are outside Rome; it:Obelisco lists 9 in Rome; and it:Obelischi di Roma has lots... -- ALoan (Talk) 23:16, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
Is Asterix invoved with this Obelisk? How many menhirs are there in Rome? —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 23:25, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
Ignore Mrs Bishonen, she is probably from a culturely deprived district, I expect some people are counting things like Trajan's Column, I always thought (was told once) it was ten. Giano | talk 07:10, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
Thanks, Giano. Our articles are in a real mess. You would think that people would be able to count huge pointed lumps of stone. But it is Italy, after all, so...
As you should be aware, BoG, the slightly shorter, shifty-looking, Gitanes-smoking friend of obelisk is asterisk. -- ALoan (Talk) 09:44, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Oh BoG he's here too is he, I hadn't seen him there - well he's would know very little about the subject coming from another culturally deprived area........(er Idaho I believe or somewhere very similar), no doubt if they saw an obelisk in those parts they would attempt to launch it into outer space or think that aliens had landed. Finally, what do you mean "But it is Italy, after all, so..." Let me tell you ALoan just because you come from a country that built a dome (useless empty dome in fact hohohoh!) there is no need to be rude about countries so rich in culture we have too much too count! Giano | talk 13:03, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Right - based on it:Obelischi di Roma and de:Obelisken in Rom, and some excellent external websites, it seems that there are 13 ancient obelisks in Rome:

  • 8 Ancient Egyptian obelisks:
    1. Lateranense (Piazza di San Giovanni in Laterano)
    2. Vaticano (Saint Peter's Square)
    3. Flaminio (Piazza del Popolo)
    4. Solare (Piazza di Montecitorio)
    5. Macuteo (Piazza della Rotonda)
    6. Minerveo (Santa Maria sopra Minerva)
    7. Dogali (Baths of Diocletian)
    8. Matteiano (Villa Celimontana)
  • 5 Roman ones:
    1. Agonalis (Piazza Navona)
    2. Quirinale (Piazza del Quirinale)
    3. Esqualine (Piazza dell'Esquilino)
    4. Sallustiano (Trinità dei Monti)
    5. Pinciano (Pincian Hill)

plus several modern ones (Villa Medici; Villa Torlonia; Foro Italico; Marconi), plus Axum (now returned). Phew. -- ALoan (Talk) 16:39, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Well, see Wikipedia:Peer review/Obelisks in Rome. -- ALoan (Talk) 12:25, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Clig

Hello. My AfD nomination for Clig indeed was a mistake. I've retracted my nomination. Would you like to close the AfD? James084 21:44, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

  • Oh, given my involvement to date, I'll let another admin do that. -- ALoan (Talk) 21:53, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Very well. I do hope you will accept my apologies if I have offended in some way. James084 23:21, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
No problem. Please would you accept my apologies if I came across as testy. I visit AfD very rarely, so was really not sure what was par for the course. But this WP:PROD thing seems to have real possibilities. I just hope I have not offended anyone or done anything wrong by deleting some articles in the "red zone", but they can always be undeleted. As you may have spotted, I have a reaonably wide wide margin of acceptability for dubious articles. -- ALoan (Talk) 23:35, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
No problem. That's what makes it all go round. Thanks again! James084 23:43, 22 February 2006 (UTC)


[edit] JV's TL

I think that looks brilliant ALoan! Giano | talk 11:32, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Maybe it depends on your screen resolution or some o' that. It's unbecomingly crowded on my 1024x768. :-( Linebreaks won't work, huh? Bishonen | ノート 11:49, 24 February 2006 (UTC).
I am afraid not - they work, in the sense that the line is broken, but leave the thing just as wide as before, like it was last night. A problem with the code, I think, just like the linking problem. Yes, it is about 400px wide :( -- ALoan (Talk) 12:08, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
Mmmm — OK, now all we need for it to look great is a longer TOC. ;-) Bishonen | ノート 12:17, 24 February 2006 (UTC).
OK - boiling down the text has got me to just over 300px wide. You'll have to tell me if I have reduced it too far or left something vital out. There is a large gap from birth in 1664 to to his army commission in 1686. He must have done something in those 22 years - can it be filled with some early life (school? univesity?). I've put move it up next to the TOC to fill some white space, which seems to work reasonably well (now I have added a <br clear>) on both wide and narrow windows... -- ALoan (Talk) 12:20, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
"How Vanbrugh spent the years from age 18 to 22 is something of a mystery." :P Trust me, everything known is in the "Early life" section. Btw, I don't know how the "January 29" that you use got into the original timeline. Sneaky vandalism, perhaps, or some old style/new style crap. Ignore it, please. He was baptized on January 24. That's why there's a question mark against that birthdate in the Lead, but the 24 can be used as birthdate in the timeline, IMO, as baptism normally was in fact on the day of birth. Bishonen | ノート 13:12, 24 February 2006 (UTC).
Thanks - but what about before he was 18? Where did he live? Which schools did he go to? Does the article that 24 is a baptismal date? -- ALoan (Talk) 13:25, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
Chester. Dad was a "sugar-baker" in Chester. (That's a Barbadoes sugar importer, see explanation in "Early life".) Oh, oh, I've got a timed event: Vanbrugh moved from London to Chester at the age of one! On account of the 1665 London plague breakout, so it's colorful and everything. He went to... uh, some school, in Chester. Years aren't known. What I picture him doing between 18 and 22 is youthfully plotting to overthrow the House of Stuart while wearing a frilly shirt and galloping handsomely back and forth to Amsterdam, or wherever William was hanging out, with dispatches from the English resistance. Maybe you could put "Some people picture him..." in the empty space? I didn't bother to put in the baptism thing, no. The Germans asked about the question mark and I told them, so the German article has something about it. Bishonen | ノート 16:30, 24 February 2006 (UTC).

[edit] FLRC

Mind weighing in at Wikipedia:Featured list removal candidates/Bangladeshi national cricket captains? We are faced with an interesting situation and now it's not so clear-cut whether this list should be demoted. Thanks! -- Rune Welsh | ταλκ 17:05, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Date links

Since you have taken an interest in date links. Please be kind enough to vote for my new bot application. bobblewik 20:02, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] John Paul II incomplete texts in Deus Caritas Est Encyclical

Hi, ALoan, I'm Cesarhvr. I read your comments about the John Paul II incomplete texts in Deus Caritas Est Encyclical where you say I can see the references based in a pontifical council, but I didn't see anything about it. Excuse my bad english (Perdona mi pésimo inglés). Greetings. Cesarhvr

Thanks for the your comment, and greetings. Your English is excellent, ¡mas mejor que mi Español! I have added a new reference for this. -- ALoan (Talk) 10:25, 26 February 2006 (UTC)


[edit] The mystery of the corrupt boxers

Would you like to give your opinion and a light copy edit here [5]. Thanks Giano | talk 16:30, 27 February 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Of course it's an obelisk

I've given you a location what more do you want, it is a very useful structure belonging to one of Italy's mosy important companies. A great deal more useful than the others which in most cases just cause traffic obstructions. Giano | talk 18:12, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

A concrete telecommunications mast? It may be a "tall, thin, four-sided, tapering monument which ends in a pyramidal top" but I doubt it is monolithic (although most of the other modern ones aren't either, and most of the ancient ones are broken into several pieces too)... -- ALoan (Talk) 18:32, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
  • But it has a metal spire on top, similar to Vaticano (well quite similar) so it must be an obelisk. You cannot be snobby about these things ALoan. The Egyptians were building these things (perhaps) to comminicate with outer-space, we build them to communicate with each other - which is the more intelligent - and don't forget beauty is in the eye of the beholder! Giano | talk 18:55, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
You had better leave it in, it may be the last of an endangered architectural phenomena [6] Giano | talk 18:59, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Bulbasaur: You asked...

Bulbasaur comes to a page near you. Assuming you accept that the article could be featured, it would be interesting to know what you think should be added or changed. Compare Spoo for example. Spoo is an entirely differenct article from Bulbasaur. Not knowing spoo from...Adam, I can read the article and come out of it quite well versed in spoo. The concept of "food" being quite clear in advance helps. And that's all there is to it, "fictional food". With Bulbasaur, it is a fictional species, a Pokemon character, a game play element, a cartoon series character, a trading card... This I get from the first sentence. The article doesn't proceed to fill me in on much more than that. Knowing about powers and availability (grass?, poison?, trainers?) might as well be gibberish without context. A bunch of plot points tells me more about...what, exactly? Random mentione of a MacDonald's promo? Etc. The article is a (very) few bits of "fact" (children's books, that it appeared in manga,...). This is mostly MEANINGLESS to me unless I understand something about Pokemon. There is no general contextual information in this article, beside the fact that B is one of 386. You asked how I might structure this article... (and this is based on the little I picked up about Pokemon):

1. LEAD: Set it up. In the franchise, what are the main components? I gather in terms of popularity, sales, use, whatever, it's video game, trading cards, anime series. Make that clear (and make sure there's a following section on each). Throw in some general stats: "B is part of the $6 billion/yr Pokemon...". That's the main notability of this topic, so say it... (And don't bother with silly attempts to add stature by including incidental stuff from "CNN" and "Time" that aren't followed up in the article).

2. Describe Bulbasaur. Keep it neutral unless sourced. Don't link to photosyntheis and solar energy unless there's a reason. "B is a fictional species that looks like a cross between a..." Fine. Some info about when created, by whom, whether (like other cartoon characters), the design has changed, that sort of thing. This is a product description, so give me the basic specs...

3. Supply a context: how does Bulbasaur fit into Pokemon? This for each of the main sections.

For VG, what is the BASIC Pokemon game play (that takes all of maybe three sentences, and is CRITICAL for being self-contained). Does a player use B in the first person role (do you play as B?) or is it some sort of tag-a-long critter? Do you attack people? Quest? Eat lucky charms? How does the game, and B in it, WORK? Then, if one must list all of the various powers, INTRODUCE THE SETTING. "There are three/eight/44 different types of Pokemon, with powers that offset each other. B is a...") Throw me (the poor reader) a bone. Introduce the generations before reeling off the details ("To date, five generations of...each being..." that sort of thing) For TV, what is the series about? How does it connect to the VG and cards: "The anime is independent of the other..." or whatever. Clue me in. The trading cards, perhaps the most mainstream publicized aspect: How does this work, and what is the B card's role? Are their rare cards and common ones... This doesn't take up much space, and with editing, the article could have all of this and be the same length...

4. "Real world" tie-in: Does Bulbasaur have an independent career (like Pikachu!)? IOW, spin-offs like movies, books (yes, two children's books), clothing line, action figures, etc. Is it a moneymaker on its own? Or just say, "While amongst fans B is one of the more popular of the 386 basic Pokemon, it is still just another character." It's OK to ADMIT that. Tell me, one way or another, don't make me GUESS. Here also a place for fluff/filler/interesting extras, like: The translated names ("Pokemon is available in 16 languages, each with a unique Bulbasaur translation..." A treat!) And so on...

5. Throw in a picture or two.

That's the BASICS. The article as it is now misses almost 100% on meaningful context, relies on often ridiculously transparent bits and pieces cobbled together to give importance (Livingstone, Time/CNN, MacDonald's promo,...), and is almost entirely based on a straight description of a video game character, and some appearances in a TV series. I'm not picking on this, it's truly bad, it is a parody of an FA, made more so by trying at all costs to conform to FA guidelines... You asked! :) (Thank whomever for archives, huh?!) Cheers... --Tsavage 01:26, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks - I asked because I was interested in your views on what would make the article better. I will point User:Celestianpower to your reply as a starting point. -- ALoan (Talk) 11:13, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
Well, I've had a go. diff. Thanks for being reasonable once again (well, except for the last paragraph) - could you not have just said this as your objection at the FAC in the first place? --Celestianpower háblame 17:34, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks

I saw the reference you put in Deus Caritas Est, and I want to say thank you. I ask for that because in the Wikipedia in spanish I erased the part that said the second part of the encyclical is taked by incomplete texts of John Paul II, and I wanted check the references here. Thank you again. Cesarhvr

[edit] DYK

Updated DYK query Did you know? has been updated. A fact from the article Bill Ashdown, which you recently created, has been featured in that section on the Main Page. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the "Did you know?" talk page.

--Gurubrahma 12:36, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Chap behind "Obeliscus"

Yes, that's me; only sort of, of course, since I merely transcribed it. Odds are though, if you've used that page for stuff, you've used my site fairly often. Best, Bill 12:41, 28 February 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Matthew Brettingham FARC

Don't worry too much about it, it was nice of you to defend it, but I realised long ago that the FAs we all did a while back would be swept away by this hysteria for inline cites. I know that the Matthew Brettingham article here is still the most complete article about him anywhere and that is what is important. I even bought the one book on him (useless) to write it. Of course I could go back and add the inline cites, but I don't think I choose too. Let the likes of "Miss Madeline" sweep away all we did before - but with what will she replace it I wonder! Yours ever Giano | talk 22:34, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

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