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Contents 1 Update? 2 Alitalia is a budget airline 3 External links 4 Complaints and lawsuits 5 Livery Section

[edit] Update?

This sentence: While more money may be needed in early 2005, the airline seems to have avoided the threat of bankruptcy. is out of date. Can anyone update the article? :: Salvo (talk) 04:12, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

The site has been updated to include information about Alitalia's potentially illegal ticketing practices.

What a crooked airline! - Steven H.

[edit] Alitalia is a budget airline

Alitalia has evolved into a budget airline and operates in Europe as such. Cheap fares, lack of customer services and no real food served on the planes all form the characteristics of a budget carrier.Kalpha 08:45, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

It's not a matter of whether passengers consider them a budget airline, it is whether they are modeled as a low-fare carrier. Unless you have evidence to this, they will not be listed as such in the article. Dbinder 14:06, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Hi Dbinder. A closer look at their marketing activities, their flight prices, lack of serving food on most flights (economy class) and their poor customer services and inexistent corporate responsibility model give away the fact that Alitalia is a budget airline. Kalpha 00:24, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Like I said, the quality of service is not a factor. Low-fare airlines have simplified fleets, an emphasis on point-to-point over hub-and-spoke flights, a simplified fare structure, and a number of other characteristics that Alitalia doesn't have. Iberia's service isn't any better (I found it worse), but they aren't a low-fare airline either. Dbinder 09:35, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

I take your point and leave it as it is. --Kalpha 16:54, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Alitalia is certainly NOT a budget/low-fare carrier. They are the national/legacy carrier for Italy and neither their fare nor route structure resemble that of a budget carrier. As a sidenote, all Alitalia flight attendants wear uniforms provided by Armani...that alone should tell you they are not a budget airline. Kalpha obviously takes issue with Alitalia and their service, which is fine, but doesn't belong on Wikipedia. Thedjb 17:41, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

I confirm that Alitalia is a full fare airline: flies long range, has the usual full fare ticket structure, and operates connections hub-and-spoke; as for no food being served in economy... you didn't really travel on any other full fare airline in Europe recently, did you ? --Raistlin 10:24, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Many European airlines have cut their services completely in economy class, here are a few names: Iberia, bmi, SAS etc. Austrian and Swiss have taken the step back and restarted giving free food and drinks.

[edit] External links

The Alitalia Italy and Alitalia UK websites are identical. Please remove one of the two. It makes sense to keep the UK site and remove the Italian which could appear in the Italian wiki version.

[edit] Complaints and lawsuits

I have restored the complaints and lawsuits section. Someone removed most of the content without any discussion. It is well documented on the web and should remain in this article. Please discuss major changes here in the future.--Kalpha 13:27, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Someone has vandalised the article by adding favourable comments on this section. A quick search on blogs and the web will show that sentiment against Alitalia and its business practises is running high. Can someone please help protect this article? --Kalpha 14:03, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Fertuno has decided to delete this section for his personal reasons. Please discuss before doing major edits. --Kalpha 09:59, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

I loudly disagree with your vision. This is an encyclopedia: stating an airline has some complaints and lawsuits (as all other airlines) is all but encyclopedical. Moreover, stating it is not reputable or infamous for something, is just your personal opinion. Take a look at Wikipedia's policies. --Fertuno 11:53, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Livery Section

I restored the livery section. I know its a stub, and it doesn't provide much information, but especially with an airline as old as Alitalia a livery section is an important piece of history. I don't have the knowledge to expand it, but I'm leaving it in there to suggest it to be added. —Cliffb 04:40, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

It must be added that the livery has been slightly changed now, if you go on alitalia.com you'll find the new livery (very similar to the old one anyway).