Talk:Algolagnia

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The religious practice of mortification of the flesh as is now regarded by many authorities as a manifestation of algolagnia.

What authorities ?

This one? http://www.ourcivilisation.com/smartboard/shop/taylorgr/sxnhst/chap8.htm

"Blessed be pain. Loved be pain. Sanctified be pain. . . Glorified be pain!" (Josemaria Escriva, founder of Opus Dei, The Way, 208)

Seems to be irrelevant on this article. Rather in the one about the saint.

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Even so, Mortification of the flesh shouldn't redirect to this article. It may be perfectly appropriate to link here, but it is by no means always equivalent to algolagnia. Wesley

Contents 1 A good source of information 2 Comparison to masochism 3 Masochism sentence misleading 4 Please use real research resources

[edit] A good source of information

http://www.psych-resources.com/psychsex3/psychsex3160.html

I read all of it, unfortunately I'm too much of a dunce to figure out how to summarize that into a worthwhile article. I'll link to the page in the article, but hopefully someone else will be smart enough to properly regurgitate this eventually. Insomniac By Choice 06:53, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Comparison to masochism

Note that algolagnia is not the same thing as physical masochism, since there are fewer psychological connotations to algolagnia, which may be a simple liking for pain, without any need for domination, submission or humiliation. It may therefore rather take the form of self-infliction of pain.

This doesn't make sense - masochism isn't necessarily about domination, submission or humiliation. Although they are often associated together (BDSM), masochism by itself doesn't necessarily include those things. It's true that the word masochism tends to have wider meanings, whilst algolagnia refers specifically to the fetish for pain - is that what the paragraph is trying to say? It's unclear to me. Mdwh 00:08, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Masochism sentence misleading

I agree that the sentence about masochism is poorly worded. I would actually argue that masochism encompasses algolagnia, or to put it another way, algolagniacs are a potential subset of the masochistic society. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 165.123.206.132 (talk • contribs) 16:03, 12 November 2006.

[edit] Please use real research resources

The state of this article was just wrong. Algolagnia does not incorporate any impulses, social side effects, or any other clinical diagnostics needed to call it a paraphilia. Masochism is the psychological desire for pain and humiliation which MAY result in sexual arousal. Algolagnia is a physiological reaction to pain that doesn't involve desire or psychological aspects directly. I'll expand this article out more, later, when I can get to the library again. --Elaragirl^Talk|Count 06:50, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Is it commonly accepted among medical professionals that Algolagnia is not a paraphilia? If that is so, then the paraphilia template should be removed from the article and vice-versa. Robotman1974 07:59, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

The DSM-IV and ICD-10 don't consider it a paraphilia, but as a minor sexual dysfunction. DSM-IV-TR puts it in Axis II, but in a differerent code that Paraphilias. Almost half of those paraphilias on the template can't be called "clinical" paraphilias, but are just things that are made up.

I removed the template from the article (missed that, I'm tired), but I'm not sure about editing the template itself. I'll deal with it tomorrow, I guess. --Elaragirl^Talk|Count 08:48, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Also, mortification of the flesh is not algolagniac in nature, but many who did such things were themselves algolagniac. There are documents going back into the 18th century (one is linked in the article) talking about religious mania and algolagnia. Still, the primary focus is physiological. It produces psychological effects, but the stimuli is physical, and the results are physical, unlike a paraphilia, where the effects is physical, but the stimuli and results are mosty psychological. --Elaragirl^Talk|Count 08:51, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Okay, thanks for the info. Robotman1974 13:51, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

I must say, that was some very nice work on the article Elaragirl. ONE^der Boy 22:57, 4 January 2007 (UTC)