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[edit] Location

Would you consider adding yourself to "Category:Wikipedians in Serbia and Montenegro"? I am myself am only there in spirit. --estavisti 23:17, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

I am not there, although I am FROM there.--Aleksandar Šušnjar 05:24, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Image copyright problem with Image:Voja.jpg

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Sorry - I know the rules but missed it. The trick is that Voja is my friend... I hoped that he will either provide a different picture or edit the license himself. Fixed.
--Aleksandar Šušnjar 00:22, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] A quick favor

I noticed a very well done biography of Sima Lozanic at the Serbian wikipedia. I translated the first paragraph but with great difficulty and found myself overwhelmed with the others (I don't speak much of any Serbian). I was wondering if you could just do a quick translation of the remainder - it doesn't matter if you have any grammar mistakes or such, I will fix all those. The remainder is here in the Latin alphabet: Talk:Sima Lozanic and there's a link there to the cyrillic Serbian article. Thanks a lot. Antidote 06:59, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Done! Someone should also transfer images, fix the userbox and recategorize (I just translated categories but did not actually verify whether they exist in English Wikipedia...
--Aleksandar Šušnjar 17:42, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
Thank you for the excellent and speedy translation. I have fixed up some of the language, added the categories and images, and put in some redirects and sources: Sima Lozanic. If you find time, take a look at Talk:List of Serbs and see if those poets I mention are non-notables. Also, thanks for the pointers on the Serbian language. I'm currently studying them ;). Antidote 00:34, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] some, one, that

I noticed your edits in the Serbian section of non-native pronunciations of English. I was wondering if you could provide the actual Serbian words for "some" or "one" and "that". Also, the page is missing anything on Croatian and Bosnian. Do you think that the three languages are similar enough to go under the same category? AEuSoes1 20:40, 24 January 2006 (UTC)


Regarding translations (all gender specific):
  • some - neki/neka/neko, cyrillic: неки/нека/неко
  • one - jedan/jedna/jedno, cyrillic: један/једна/једно
  • that - taj/ta/to, cyrillic: тај/та/то
Regarding Croatian, Bosnian and other of the same family: the situation is essentially the same as "languages" basically differ mostly accent and some slang. I was thinking about putting this in there, but I did not want to get involved in the tricky business of dealing with differing beliefs as to whether these are or are not the same language.
--Aleksandar Šušnjar 20:48, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps we could have a section titled Bosnian language, Croatian, and Serbian. Which is the neuter gender? Are these particular words the same for all three languages? AEuSoes1 21:40, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

I provided three forms. First two are masculine and feminine. The third one is neuter of sorts but not entirely. It would relate to children but inanimate objects would have to take either masculine or feminine one, not a neuter. For example:
  • some/one/that man = neki/jedan/taj čovek
  • some/one/that woman = neka/jedna/ta žena
  • some/one/that child = neko/jedno/to dete
  • some/one/that ship = neki/jedan/taj brod (takes masculine form)
  • some/one/that car = neka/jedna/ta kola (takes feminine form)
Forgot to mention that there are really two translations of "that". The close/near one is the one I mentioned (taj/ta/to) but there is also the "far/unreachable" kind (onaj/ona/ono). This does not need to relate to physical vicinity. If something has been mentioned in the conversation already it may be treated as "near" whereas introducing something new may be referred to as "far". That may flip in the middle of conversation. For example:
' You know that(far) John from marketing deparment? Now, that(near) John said...
The words are the same for all those languages, yes.
I also want to mention one interesting thing... I don't know whether it works or not, but I think it does more often than not... When Serbian/Croatian/Bosnian language speaker is taught English they could think of some/one/that analogy to a/the in order to pick the right one. The problem of whether or not to use any article at all still remains because even those words are not required in Serbian. You could say that "one" or "some" is assumed by default and the above example can easily be transformed into:
' You know John from marketing deparment? Now, he said...
Unfortunately, I don't know of any English language teachers or professors actually using this analogy in their classes. The common approach is much more complicated and involves mrmorizing a long list of cases when to use which article.
One more complication I forgot to mention ... The three forms are not the only forms of this word. They also differ not only based on gender but also number (singular, dual!!! and plural) and case (7 of them in Serbian: Nominative, Genetive, Dative, Accusative, Vocative, Instrumental and Locative).
--Aleksandar Šušnjar 21:54, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

In English we have this/these(near) and that/those (far). I figure the nominative form is the dictionary form, but which gender is the one listed in the dictionary? You might want to look at the Wikipedia article on demonstratives. AEuSoes1 22:37, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

"This/These" is different. That is yet another word (ovaj/ova/ovo). It's that Serbian has "this" + two forms of "that". I guess I could put it this way:
  • I carry this. - Ja nosim ovo.
  • You carry that1. - Ti nosiš to.
  • He carries that2. - On nosi ono.
It does not have to relate to the "person" this way. For example, in the imperative form you can easily say "You carry this", or one can say "I'll carry that" or "He'll carry this", etc.
--Aleksandar Šušnjar 01:23, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Two people

Holy, can you tell me what you know (if anything) about the following two poets: Kosta Abrašević and Ratko Popovic. I can't find much information on them, so perhaps they are non-notables? Antidote 00:53, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

  • Kosta Abrašević (Коста Абрашевић) (1879-1898) was a notable Serbian poet. Many institutions are named after him, so he is not "non-notable". [1] [2] [3]. I do seem to have trouble finding on-line info about him, not about varions institutions named after him...
  • Ratko Popović (Ратко Поповић) (born 1947) is a living Serbian poet [4] [5] [6]
Hope this helps, --Aleksandar Šušnjar 04:43, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wikimedia Canada

Hi there! I'd like to invite you to explore Wikimedia Canada, and create a list of people interested in forming a local chapter for our nation. A local chapter will help promote and improve the organization, within our great nation. We'd also like to encourage everyone to suggest projects for our national chapter to participate in. Hope to see you there!--DarkEvil 04:20, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Sorry for not responding sooner. I am interested, but really don't know how many people around me are. I will see what I can do myself. Otherwise - I am still quite a wiki-newbie and still did not use anything outside Wikipedia content - I was about to learn to use commons, now Wikimedia... Some help would help :)
--Aleksandar Šušnjar 23:22, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
If you think I can help you in some way, just ask me!--DarkEvil 04:32, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tesla

Hi. I just wanted to aplogise for maybe being a bit abrupt and careless in some comments at NT recently. You wrote:

I guess you can consider me to be a "Teslaphile", but in this regard I agree with (re)moving various games, music and related stuff. I honor who and what Tesla was and believe relevant info should find its way in the article. Anything else, if worthy of mention, (e.g. institutions named after him) should be listed in separate articles or in dissambigation page. There are many "fairy stories" around Tesla. In fact so many of them that they may deserve a separate article just by themselves. Just don't know how to call it. Final note: the airport already exists - Belgrade airport and they seem to be in the process of naming it "Belgrade Nikola Tesla International Airport" (similar to Charles de Gaulle International Airport). --Aleksandar Šušnjar 21:36, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

& I replied:

Well, feel free to create Fairy stories about Tesla :-) William M. Connolley 18:41, 1 February 2006 (UTC).

I feel I should expand on that a bit. I agree with your honor who and what Tesla was and believe relevant info should find its way in the article (I mention that cos some people have accused me of being anti-Tesla; I'm not). But for one reason or another Tesla seems to attract somewhat eccentric folk, who insist on associating him with various dubious stuff. So there is a problem with removing the excess. Sorry if I sometimes go over the top. William M. Connolley 23:28, 14 February 2006 (UTC).

That's fine. I completely understand the situation as I also see it the same way. It appears that Tesla invented everything from time travel to ghost hunting equipment on top of his real inventions :)... --Aleksandar Šušnjar 23:39, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Image:Schema.gif

Can you clarify the copyright status of the image? Fetofs Hello! 23:11, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

I don't really know how to classify it. The image represents the schematic diagram of Galaksija computer. The schematic itself, along with the rest of the computer is released to the public domain by its author. This rendition is downloaded from elsewhere on the net and represents a scanned part of the magazine ("Računari" and "Galaksija") page that was published (by "BIGZ" - I think it stood for Beogradski Izdavački Grafički Zavod - Belgrade Publishing and Graphical Institute) it in 1983. The image was created by the author of Galaksija. The magazine and its publishing company no longer exist. Since it was a company from the communist days of Yugoslavia it was "public property" that nobody purchased.

In any case, I am a friend of the author and will ask him to provide a higher quality rendition, if he has one... --Aleksandar Šušnjar 20:30, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Home-made PCBs

Thanks for the comment on my site. :) Its sad how neglected it's been. You're of course correct with respect to drawing with a top-down perspective, like you would be when using a PCB layout software. When you're literally drawing the bottom layer, you're drawing from underneath, so pinouts, etc. are reversed. And in order to transfer it to the copper correctly, you have to flip it so it transfers back correctly. It's the same if you were doing a 2-layer top-down, you need to flip the top-side before transferring.

Granted, drawing a board by hand instead of using PCB layout software is pretty ridiculous, but the article isn't meant for anyone who really knows what they're doing. :)

With all the free PCB layout packages out anymore, I really should go back and update that stuff to make more sense and be more productive. That article has been migrated pretty much content-change-free from several incarnations of my site over to course of about 5 years, it's probably about time!

NickVeys 03:21, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] False Friends of the Slavist

Please have a look at wikibooks:False Friends of the Slavist. With your language skills, you can help us very much there, though there is not too much to be done. See also wikibooks:Talk:False Friends of the Slavist for details on what is still needed. Thanks in advance! --Daniel Bunčić 19:00, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Hmm... I just may be able to help... Already know some Russian-Serbian false-friends that are not listed...
--Aleksandar Šušnjar 22:02, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tvoja web stranica

Cao Aleksandre, gledao sam ti stranicu i primetio sam da ako kliknem u meniju na kontakte, i onda u stranici na link, stvori se rekurzivna stranica unutra, i tako moze da se ponovi jos jednom, al nece i cetvrti put!? Zasto onda stane? Lakinekaki

Eh.. da... tu stranicu sam poslednji put sredjivao u proleće 2001. - dakle davno. Pre oko mesec dana sam se kao opet dao da napravim nešto novo (prvo lokalno pa da postavim), ali ništa još od toga... Inače radi se o tome da link nisam stavio da se otvara u novom prozoru a nemam klasičan web server nego moj domain registrar samo vrati "wrapper" stranicu da bi URL ostao isti... Zašto neće više puta? Ne znam... možda je neko ograničenje browser-a (to napravi dosta frejmova: jedan wrapper od domain registrar, pa unutra tri mog sajta, pa unutar jednog opet wrapper, pa unutar njega tri mog sajta itd...)... Videću da to, konačno, sredim i eliminišem frejmove...
--Aleksandar Šušnjar 18:04, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] List of Serbs

Imamo removal na toj stranici - nekoliko poznatih (kao Rudjer Boskovic, Ivo Andric i drugi) su izbaceni. Ista osoba je i promijenila sliku - izbacivsi ih iz nje. Ako pogledas Rudjerovu stranicu - vidjeces da je diskusija zavrsena (ono sa Elephantusom) - i zakljuceno je da je on Dubrovcanin srpskoga porijekla. Ja nemam vremena - pa bi li mog'o ti sredit List of Serbs? --HolyRomanEmperor 22:57, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Mozes ili ne? --HolyRomanEmperor 22:09, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Ma znam da imamo. Ja sam se jedno vreme borio - kao što spominješ. Treba da se vrati samo da nađem i ja vremena. Bacio sam se na sređivanje stvari za transliteraciju/dijalekte srpske Vikipedije u preostalom slobodnom vremenu pa ni ja ne stižem - samo mislim da se ništa neće postići konstantnim prevrtanjem. Ja sam, kome li ono beše, zaboravih, dao i primer raznih Srba na listi Hrvata pa opet ništa ne ispade?

--Aleksandar Šušnjar 04:51, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Cyrillic" as a language

I am just a visitor here trying to learn more history... but I found that article uses term "Moldovan Cyrillic" as a language. Judging from what I know about Cyrillic and the rest of the article, the name of the alphabet should not be included in the name of the language as the means used to record the language does not affect it - e.g. there is no "Latin English" vs. "Magnetic tape English" vs. "DVD English".

Am I wrong here?

--Aleksandar Šušnjar 18:47, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

You remarked something very important. Is very true your remark. There isn't such thing maybe just in the mind of some old sovietic people. E.g. there is here user Mikkalai, you can ask him. He was acused by several users to be anti-romanian. I don't know if it is true, maybe he just asks for attention because of his age. Maybe he doesn't have a woman or family and this is his expression way. Still, he is the only one to support that lie. In fact, Romanian language and Moldovan language are identical. Try to convince him. You may be blocked for that for being accused as a sock of User:Bonaparte (his love).

In his mind there is Latin english, arab english and why not cyrillic english. Try to see his edits. Half of them made every day are Anti-Romanian edits. So much to tell about that old crazy guy.

This is sockpuppet of banned troll User:Bonaparte.
You remark about language taken into an account and the sentence is fixed, thank you. If you have any questions about the above rant, I am ready to answer. mikka (t) 20:26, 20 March 2006 (UTC)


Wow... cool down all of you... I just remarked something very simple. I knew nothing of what was going in there and while reading the article I found something that doesn't fit well with my own first language and its alphabets. There are no two (alphabet-related) versions of Serbian although Serbian uses two alphabets (Cyrillic and Latin).

No hard feelings, OK?

--Aleksandar Šušnjar 22:40, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tvoje misljenje

Zdravo Aleksandre. Zamolio bih te ako imas vremena da pogledas Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Serbophobia_(second_nomination) i takodje ako mozes da bacis pogled na Chaos theory i Bios theory stranice. Imam tamo raspravu sa editorima, i voleo bih da neko nepristrasan procita i da komentar na anketi sa pitanjima koja je na stranici diskusije teorije haosa.) Pozdrav. Lakinekaki 04:53, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Hvala na komentaru! Mnogo mi se svideo :O) Ne znam dali si video arhivirane diskusije, al ja sam se sa tri editora objasnjavao skoro mesec dana, i tamo ima na desetine strana teksta i slika! Ja insistiram na onom linku zato sto me nerviraju ljudi koji pokusavaju da sakriju informacije - cak mislim da je to zlo, i da bi u svetu bilo mnogo manje bede kad bi informacije bile dostupne svima i kad se nebi kontrolisale. Jedva cekam dan kad ce svi drzavnici ziveti zivot kao dzim kery u truman show filmu! Pa da vidim kako ce onda sklapati medjusobne dilove! :) Lakinekaki


[edit] Python

Mnogo sam citao o raznim programskim jezicima u zadnje vreme, i poceo da ucim Python (posto mi ga je preporucio drugar, i posto sam se uverio kroz poredjenja sa drugim jezicima da stvarno ima dosta prednosti). Vidim da ti odlicno znas gomilu jezika, a opet python nije medju njima. Jel postoji neki razlog sto si ga zaobisao, ili se jednostavno nisi ni susreo sa njim.Lakinekaki 17:00, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Ne, mnogo sam i ja slušao o njemu ali prosto nisam došao u situaciju da ga naučim - samo smo se gledali do sada. Ne "stidim" se ni jednog jezika koji znam tako da ih ne brišem. Znam ih više nego što to stoji na mojoj strani, tbog toga što Wikipedia prosto nema kutijice za njih ... npr. zato što nisu toliko popularni i/ili zato što sam neke sam pravio.

Python deluje po mnogo čemu interesantan i vredi ga naučiti, ako ne radi direktne upotrebe a ono radi znanja njegove suštine i filozofije i upotrebe u drugim jezicima.

--Aleksandar Šušnjar 17:11, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Zadar

Mozes li pogledati sledece glasanje o clanku 'Kristalna noc u Zadru' [7]. Clanak ce biti obrisan u protivnom, kao sto se uklanjaju i ostala svedocanstva o stradanju Srba - uprkos svim dokazima i linkovima. Hvala.

Nemanyya 05:08, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pronounciation of Java and Javanese in Javanese

Hey you posed a question on Talk:Javanese#Pronunciation_of_.22Javanese.22_and_.22Java.22. I have answered your question. Meursault2004 17:16, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Article Improvement Belgrade

You may wish to vote for Belgrade at the Article Improvement Drive page, here. --estavisti 21:53, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hi

I’m the user that was formerly known as Bitola. I decided to make some changes (changes are always welcomed from time to time) and I created a new user account. I was pretty much involved in the Macedonian articles heated area for several months and these days I will take some rest from all that bickering. In the same time, I would like to thank you for your engagement in the discussion on the Republic of Macedonia talk page. The things look pretty messed there, but it is always like that when discussing about the Balkans issues:) MatriX 17:26, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Invitation

Hello! I invite you to join the WikiProject Serbia. All the best, --serbiana - talk 02:44, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks for Choosing Belgrade

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[edit] Beograd

Па где су приградске општине града на тој карти? Знам да званично "Београд" заузима пола Шумадије, ал' кад је тако, тако морамо написати. Ово за Косово, немам ништа против да буде прказано, него је граница била погрешно нацртана (бар мени тако изгледа) :) --estavisti 17:39, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Па пази: ништа нисам цртао "руком", тако да су све ствари апсолутно званичне (мислим на границе). Ја сам само "подешавао" како ће те границе бити цртане и које су боје површина, те сам уклонио детаље (типа имена и локације осталих градова, реке, итд)... Све је то проверено поређењем са сателитским снимцима. Што се Шумадије тиче, мапа приказује само урбане општине Београда, тако да није укључена.

Оно што мени није јасно је зашто мапа неће да се прикаже у кутијици...

--Aleksandar Šušnjar 21:24, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tajik + Farsi

Hey man, I threw together a Perso-Arabic -> Cyrillic transliterator. It works like crap at the moment, but have a play if you're interested [8]. Regards. - FrancisTyers 18:49, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, the characters you don't know can be seen here. The main problem is dealing with vowels, because Perso-Arabic tends not to write them, as you can probably tell from the text.
Farsi trans. бробрнд
Tajik. баробаранд
I'm thinking of building a wordlist and then trying to do some kind of edit distance operation, but just using vowels, to produce the full words. Btw, don't feel obliged to reply, its just good to have someone who has dealt with similar stuff to bounce ideas off :) - FrancisTyers 17:00, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Happy Father's Day

I noticed you were a father, so here is something other than a necktie. Happy Father's Day 2006.     ―Linux|erist 03:53, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Calling programmers

We need coders for the WikiProject Disambigation fixer. We need to make a program to make faster and easier the fixing of links. We will be happy if you could check the project. You can Help! --Neo139 08:48, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

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[edit] Serbian Wikipedia

Hey man, could you point me at some information on getting the Cyrillic -> Latin online transliteration working? We'd like to adopt it for the Tajik Wikipedia. - FrancisTyers · 13:43, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

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