Talk:Alexandre Frota
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[edit] This article needs a lot of work in order to survive
The Alexandre Frota article is completely unsourced and contains potentially defamatory information about a living person. The article also fails to state the importance or significance of its subject.
As written, the article currently meets Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion: Articles number 7:
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- "An article about a real person, group of people, band, club, company, or web content that does not assert the importance or significance of its subject."
The article needs to include information that explains why this person is important enough to warrant an article in the first place. Wikipedia:Notability (pornographic actors) is a guideline about what criteria need to be met in order for the performer to have an article here.
Probably most importantly, Wikipedia:Verifiability—which is Wikipedia policy—states:
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- "The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth. 'Verifiable' in this context means that any reader should be able to check that material added to Wikipedia has already been published by a reliable source. Editors should provide a reliable source for material that is challenged or likely to be challenged, or it may be removed....
- " If an article topic has no reliable, third-party sources, Wikipedia should not have an article on it.
- "Be careful not to err too far on the side of not upsetting editors by leaving unsourced information in articles for too long, or at all in the case of information about living people. Jimmy Wales has said of this: 'I can NOT emphasize this enough. There seems to be a terrible bias among some editors that some sort of random speculative "I heard it somewhere" pseudo information is to be tagged with a "needs a cite" tag. Wrong. It should be removed, aggressively, unless it can be sourced. This is true of all information, but it is particularly true of negative information about living persons.'"
I suspect that, given the fact that this performer is Brazilian, reliable, third-party sources in English may be impossible to find. Remember that the purpose of verifiability is to provide any user of Wikipedia the means to verify the information in the article.
As I stated, this article qualifies for Speedy Deletion. However, I'd much rather give the people who are interested in it some time to edit it to comply with Wikipedia policy.
I'm placing a link to this page on the talk pages of each of the editors who have been involved with the article (with the exception of unregistered users).—Chidom talk 02:32, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
- Following the IMDb link in the article indicates that his most notable acting effort (from the POV of the English Wiki) isn't even given in the article. He had the staring role in the 1991 Brazilian movie Matou a Família e Foi ao Cinema which won Best Supporting Actress and Best Director at the Festival de Gramado which serves as the Brazilian equivalent of the Oscars.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Caerwine (talk • contribs)., 03:39, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
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- There needs to be information in the article itself to assert importance/significance (notability), not here on the talk page. I'm not sure that being in the cast of a film that won awards for the director and someone else's performance is a strong case for importance/significance; I have an entry in the IMDb because I'm listed in the credits of an Academy-Award-Winning Documentary—but I'm not notable, believe me. Most likely a better example is that of the leading man in a film for which Bette Davis won the Academy Award for Best Actress. The film was Dangerous and the leading man was Franchot Tone. I have to wonder if he really gained any additional fame or notice from the win for Davis. He was rumored to have had an affair with Davis, and was himself nominated that year for an Academy Award for Best Actor (in a different film); I suspect both of those garnered more fame for him than having been in a film where Davis won the award (but that's an opinion).
- Regardless, the information needs to be able to be verified by using multiple English-language sources. The Matou... wikilink you've provided is to an article in the Portuguese Wikipedia that is also unsourced. The Festival article here doesn't have any English-language sources, either. If English-language sources can't be found, the article is unverifiable and also fails the importance/significance (notability) guidelines, at least for the English Wikipedia.—Chidom talk 05:02, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
- I would say he is somewhat notable. He was a soap-opera actor in the 80ths (and maybe 90ths), but this alone doesn't make a Brazillian actor notable. At some point, he made the news again by being allegedly the first Brazillian "celebrity" to shot a hardcore movie. He went on to take part in some other porn movies. I believe all of these movies were produced by brasileirinhas. I can't check this site right now as it's probably NSFW, but I believe it may be a good source of info on his porn works (also in English). --Abu Badali 14:29, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
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- Unfortunately, the link that you've provided won't load. I can get to www.brasileirinhas.com.br, but even the link on that page to www.brasileirinhasnet.com.br, which is identical to what you provided, doesn't work.
- Also, if his soap operas didn't air in English, he's probably not notable for the English Wikipedia. At the very least, there would need to be reviews in English about the soap opera.75.58.54.13 09:44, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
- Well, so be it. I'm not really arguing for this article to stay or go. That was just my $0.02 . --Abu Badali 12:10, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
