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A lot of military history and links to further information is available here: http://www.militarymuseum.org/Alcatraz.html

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The picture isn't showing up -- Zoe 00:43 Oct 13, 2002 (UTC)


I reverted the change made by User:137.142.177.139 as it appears to be a copyright violation from (EDIT: link was blacklisted. --Geopgeop 14:33, 2 November 2006 (UTC)). Angela 16:16, 10 Sep 2003 (UTC)~

Oops, sorry about that, I posted way too early. I'm really new to this and I accidently posted that before paraphrasing everything. (new kid)

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[edit] Escape attempt.

The article needs a bit more on the nature of the 1962 escape attempt. Such as the preparatory stuff the prisoners did, like digging their way into the service corridor behind their cells, the stand-in dummies they made, and the construction of the boat on the roof of the cell block. I added the bit about the MythBusters re-creation.--DooMDrat 04:48, Mar 15, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] An Alcatraz prisoner tag picture

Can anyone at all verify that as a genuine article? My reasons for suspicion that it is fake are as follows. 1 - Why would you give a prisoner a brass tag that could be used as a weapon or as a digging implement? 2, and I think this is the clincher - I used to have one just like it. Oh, and one for the Bastille too. It was a novelty key ring. The same Block B etc etc. 3- The user that posted it has history of hoax pictures judging by his talk page at the moment. --LiamE 17:03, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Origin of the name

The article suggests a link to the gannet, but I don't think there are any gannets in San Francisco Bay. Local lore has it the name is derived from pelican - and there surely are lots of pelicans around San Francisco. Does anyone have accurate information? --mililani 05:59, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

I don't know from nothin' about gannetts, but here are the names of a couple of birds in Spanish, according to my diccionario:

  • pelican = el pelícano (also spelled without the i accented)
  • gannett = el alcatraz

Presumably, lacking an accent mark, alcatraz should be accented on the TRAZ instead of on the AL as we English speakers do.

Regardless, a Spanish-made movie about a pelican would be una película por un pelícano. Say that several times muy rápido. :) Wahkeenah 06:25, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

'Gannet' is commonly given for alcatraz in Spanish-English dictionaries, though 'Solan goose' and 'booby' are occasional alternatives. However, these are usually dictionaries of modern Castilian Spanish, and I think some allowance should be made for possible older usages - it's not as if Alcatraz was named recently - and for different usages in the Americas compared to Spain.

For example, there are numerous references on ornithological web sites and others that 'alcatraz blanco' and 'alcatraz pardo' are the correct terms in places such as Mexico and Puerto Rico for the white and brown pelican respectively, which supports the pelican argument. 'Local lore' is often worth taking seriously.

It is worth noting that Admiral W H Smyth says in his Sailor's Word Book of1867 (a compendious and usually reliable nautical dictionary): "ALCATRAZ. The pelican. Alcatraz Island is situated in the mouth of the River San Francisco, in California, so named from its being covered with these birds. Also Alcatraz on the coast of Africa, from Pelecanus sula - booby..." So Smyth seems to have been fully aware that more than one species of bird could be called 'alcatraz', but firm on the SF island being named after its pelicans. While this is not 'proof', 1867 is a lot closer to the original naming than we are today.Grubstreet 18:17, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Guys, there's really nothing to discuss. Mario is Missing clearly stated that the island was named for the Pelican. Who are you going to trust? 129.12.228.161 15:22, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Not too bright

Didn't see it mentioned, but the Rock (I've heard) was, in 1854, site of the first lighthouse on the U.S. West Coast. Al Katraz 05:00, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

I also heard this from the docents last month (2005 December), but not the year. FWIW I added a bit of trivia under The Rock (film)#Trivia that I also heard. 「ѕʀʟ·✎」 07:42, 3 January 2006 (UTC)


[edit] American Indian Occupation

I have made several corrections to the section on the American Indian occupation of Alcatraz (1969-71). The original article wrongly stated that AIM (American Indian Movement) occupied the island when in fact AIM had nothing to do with the initial occupation.

Anyone wanting more information on the occupation can find numerous online resources - and you can email the park rangers at goga_alcatraz@nps.gov if you have questions you can't find answered online (note there are way too few rangers on the island these days so please do your research first and only email if you can not locate answers online). A couple of good online resources are:

http://www.nps.gov/alcatraz

http://www.fortressalcatraz.com

http://www.alcatrazhistory.com

http://www.cr.nps.gov/museum/exhibits/alca/overview.html


In addition, if you do a site search on the word ALCATRAZ the following sites have additional worthwhile information:


http://www.pbs.org

http://www.kqed.org

http://www.fbi.gov

http://www.bop.gov

Ranger Craig, Alcatraz Island

There are also a ton of books on the topic, which is helpful since I'm doing my term paper for my Native Peoples of North America anthropology class on the occupation. Ungovernable ForceGot something to say? 05:22, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] removal of nonsense

...nonsense removed. Kunwon1 18:18, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mythbusters?

Is this a reputable source? Isn't this purely entertainment television?

IMNSHO, Mythbusters, while clearly entertainment, usually tries pretty hard to get the science right.
Atlant 22:45, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, and they have fun blowing stuff up too, so I think they're pretty reliable. Shouldn't mess with a guy who can blow a crater in you harder than CHuck norris's dropkick.02:14, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Union protests

Ok, this seems like it could be put in the page, but it desperately needs sources and POV checks. Surely if this is that big a deal there's more resources for info than a single site, based in the union? There's gotta be some news --feba 05:34, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Other Places I've Checked

I saw on World Book Online that Alcatraz really means pelican in spanish

Nick 16:55, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Controversy section

Removed the following text from the article, as it was more tags than text:

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Currently there is a boycott on its ferry operator Alcatraz Cruises[citation needed], as well as parent company Hornblower[citation needed],
due to the latest contract to provide ferry service being granted to the company, despite its lack of experience operating in the
San Fransisco Bay[citation needed]. Supporters of the union which had been handling ferry services before this have attributed this to
Hornblower's funding of George W. Bush's political campaigns[citation needed].

- Jack (talk) 20:38, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Grosser citations in military history added

Citation requested for " Uncle Sam's Devil's Island : experiences of a conscientious objector in America during the World War" being written. permalinks to 2 worldcat records added (www.worldcat.org) cheers! 91.105.68.198 12:57, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

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