User talk:Albinomite

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[edit] Black people

"You're absolutely wrong to assume that because humans originated in Africa the first group of humans was, in your sense of the word, "black." In fact, most recent research seems to indicate that the first modern humans were born only lightly pigmented, although they may have become significantly darker as a result of sun and element exposure by the time they reached adulthood. Recent research also suggests that these first groups of humans would have, in large part, faciologically (and not just melanistically) resembled modern Europeans much more than they would have modern Subsaharan Africans (i.e. blacks in your use of the term). The qualities that make many Subsaharan Africans "black" or "negroid" (robust facial features, one assumes you mean) are frequent (though not necessarily predominant) in many human populations and in no way imply a recent genetic connection with Africa's modern day "black" inhabitants, nor are they the result of "atavistic" mutations, although they may, roughly speaking, be akin to the foundational mutative processes that eventually led to the formation of durable clusters of typically "black" or "negroid" phenotypes across parts of the African continent. Also of note: light skin color will often have the classic "photogenic" effect of softening facial features, thus masking phenotypical qualities in groups that might otherwise resemble "blacks", the reverse effect appears less common, as the Ethiopian controversy effectively demonstrate. On the other hand, that millions of people across the globe associate Africanicity simply with dark-skin pigmentation is an undeniable fact of opinion (as opposed to a fact of science), and should be carefully reported as such in this article."

Do you have an opinion on this matter?--Albinomite 05:50, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

  • You're absolutely wrong to assume that because humans originated in Africa the first group of humans was, in your sense of the word, "black."
I do not assume anything about the first anatomically modern humans (AMH). What I do assume is that all modern human groups are equally different from the "first" AMH. This is common sense, our shared ancestors are equally distant to all of us. Alun 06:32, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
  • In fact, most recent research seems to indicate that the first modern humans were born only lightly pigmented, although they may have become significantly darker as a result of sun and element exposure by the time they reached adulthood.
What research? If you quote research it's good to provide a citation. We can only include this sort of information in an article if we have a citation from a reliable source, for science a reliable source would be an article published in a peer reviewed journal for example. Alun 06:32, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Recent research also suggests that these first groups of humans would have, in large part, faciologically (and not just melanistically) resembled modern Europeans
This is not necessarily relevant to the Black people article, and I am extremelly sceptical, we are all equally diverged from the first AMH. Again you need to provide proper cites from proper reliable sources. Alun 06:32, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
  • modern Subsaharan Africans (i.e. blacks in your use of the term)
This is not my use of the term. I am arguing that in the context of human populations the term "Black people" means different things to different people. In Australia Indigenous Australians are refered to as Black. It is only in certain parts of the world that Black only applies to people of sub-Saharan African descent. In the UK sometimes people of Indian or Pakistani origin self-identify as Black in an inclusive sense, see Black British. My point of view is that we include all of these definitions in the article, there is no universally accepted usage for this term and I understand this. Alun 06:32, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
  • The qualities that make many Subsaharan Africans "black" or "negroid"....in no way imply a recent genetic connection with Africa's modern day "black" inhabitants
What? sub-Saharan Africans are Africa's modern dayBlack inhabitants. How can they not be genetically related to themselves? Alun 06:32, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
  • light skin color will often have the classic "photogenic" effect of softening facial features, thus masking phenotypical qualities in groups that might otherwise resemble "blacks"
Is this just personal opinion? Alun 06:32, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
  • that millions of people across the globe associate Africanicity simply with dark-skin pigmentation is an undeniable fact of opinion (as opposed to a fact of science), and should be carefully reported as such in this article."
Indeed it should. We should include all points of view as long as they have citations from reliable sources. Alun 06:32, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Good joke

But I do not believe you are real. And this is English Wikipedia. If you want to write in other languages, they are all available in other Wikipedias in other languages. --Filll 18:37, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Machismo

Are you now going to attempt to disrupt the machismo article again? I am now assuming that you are aquainted with our old friend User:Marsiliano who used to conveniently forget to log in? He was strangely obsessed with "race" as well. I wonder why you are so obsessed with this subject when you claim to be anti-racist? Alun 22:36, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Black people

What are you talking about? Alun 13:32, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Spammng talk pages

Please stop pasting your screed into multiple article talk pages. You need to familiarize yourself with Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy; you'd then understand that editing with a particular religious, political, and social goal is not acceptable on Wikipedia -- nor is soliciting other editors to do so. --jpgordon∇∆∇∆ 17:12, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Blocked

This user has been blocked indefinitely from editing Wikipedia.
(see: block log • contributions • page moves • current autoblocks)

You have been blocked for POV pushing and personal attacks on Talk:Black people. Furthermore I believe you are a sockpuppet/meatpuppet/puppetmaster of User:TheBeggar'swatchmaker.[1] If you wish for another admin to review this block type {{unblock}}. Joelito (talk) 18:28, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

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