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[edit] Howards military service

Your edit on Howards hypocrisy to national service is very well crafted. But I warn you there may be a lot of oppostion to its presence. I will support you if others choose to wipe it. 128.250.99.135 00:43, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Was your aim also to paint Howard as a hypocrite, or is that 128.250.99.135's intention alone? Andjam 06:03, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Hi Albatross2147,

I noticed you reverted the citation needed thingo which is fair enough. Given that to prove the somewhat bleeding obvious is nearly as hard as proving a negative can you wait a bit before striking out the alleged PoV statement?

A little bit, but not too long.

Also at the risk of entering into a bitter ploemic (which I certainly don't want to do) I would be interested to know exactly what your objection is to the statement that in the 1960s he was a supporter of both NS and Aust's participation in the Vn War. I don't see how it could have been otherwise.

Well, people have made mistakes before. For example this rant claims that Family First were presumably "into the Iraq war like a rat up a drainpipe" when the policy platform was that they disapproved of the invasion. (I sent them an email in December 2004, and they're yet to correct the statement) The article originally talked about Howard "vociferously" supporting the war, which is hardly NPOV language. Even if he weren't in favour of the war and conscription, he may have decided to stay silent to avoid giving the North Vietnamese comfort. Frankly, I'm a bit tired of "fake but accurate" attitude some people have. Andjam 06:03, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Even though we suspect it, we can't assume that he did hold the same views as his party without evidence, nor does add much to talk about the views of his party as evidence of his own inconsistency. For eg, after the Vietnam war the Liberal party decided that South Vietnamese who had assisted the Australian forces should be evacuated. There was only one minister who wanted to leave them behind in the hands of the North Vietnamese. Guess who. Regards, Ben Aveling 07:27, 27 January 2006 (UTC) PS. I did manage to find a quote for you.

So long as it's from a reliable NPOV source, well ... I still wouldn't exactly be thrilled about the inclusion, given that one person wanted it included in order to paint Howard as a hypocrite. But if it's got a good citation, I won't try to get the section removed unless other people worry about how notable it is. Andjam 08:01, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

All depends on how it's used, really. Same as any other fact. Regards, Ben Aveling 08:32, 27 January 2006 (UTC)


[edit] AWB

Either a separate articles or dividing the existing article into clear sections (like the history section of the Opera Australia article) seems to make sense to me.John Dalton 21:52, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] De-sysop

If you want to remove someone's administrator status, you need to go via Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration. enochlau (talk) 04:46, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] James Cole

I'll attempt to get a new article completed - apparently it all has to be finished with citations and no typos prior to posting; otherwise it will be speedily deleted... The new article will be more thorough and less speculative in accordance with grievances aired in the debate which took place *after* deletion rather than before. -pa

It was speedily deleted, which means that it does not have to undergo WP:AFD. enochlau (talk) 14:56, 27 January 2006 (U

[edit] Alan Jones

I have removed the article Alan Jones from the "List of GLBT people" category. If Alan Jones hasn't specifically stated in public that he belongs within this category, then it is not for us to put him in such a category based upon mere rumour and innuendo. - Mark 02:06, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm sorry you feel that way about my action there. I am merely cautioning against presenting something as fact when we don't know for sure that it is. In my opinion, it is still perfectly legitimate to discuss the gay claims within the text of the article. I don't feel this is censorship, since I haven't removed from the article the talk about these allegations. - Mark 02:37, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Homebush Boys High School

Your Post: This has been majorly vandalised again. Are you in a position to revert easily? Albatross2147 22:47, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

  • My Response: I've reverted the vandalism. Cheers! --NMChico24 23:07, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Gang Show

Much nicer! Now I know what it is! Thanks. :-D --Tim4christ17 09:49, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wow!

You've been to Campbell Island? Colour me very jealous. Thanks for the albie photo. Sabine's Sunbird talk 07:33, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] JoeTheLion

Indef blocked. It was good of you to revert his vandalism, BTW. Indeed, here's a barnstar:

The RickK Anti-Vandalism Barnstar
For reverting vandalism on John Howard, I award Albatross2147 the RickK Anti-Vandalism Barnstar -- Samir धर्म 08:41, 16 July 2006 (UTC)


Thanks and keep up the good work -- Samir धर्म 08:41, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

I have been on the Board for 5 years and over that time the meeting has never been held in Melbourne on Cup day. Wmckibbin 13:55, 18 July 2006 (UTC)


As a former pupil, to the best of my knowledge, and my teachers. It was an coed, inaddition, my piano tutor, she, attended Homebush High School. (NeoDeGenero 16:26, 18 July 2006 (UTC))

[edit] User talk page messages

Hi Albatross2147,

I only just noticed your "re John Howard Talk" section on my talk page (not that it is a big issue, as the issues have been mentioned in the article talk page). I typically only look at the bottom of my user talk page, so if you have any further messages, can you start a new section unless there's an existing section near the bottom of the page? Thanks, Andjam 11:58, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Minor Edits

Remember to mark your edits as minor when, but only when, they genuinely are (see Wikipedia:Minor edit). Marking a major change as a minor one, or vice versa, is considered poor etiquette. The rule of thumb, is that an edit of a page that consists of spelling corrections, formatting, and minor rearranging of text should be flagged as a 'minor edit'. DXRAW 01:00, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Newington Headmasters

Why not list all Headmasters of Newington and remain neutral by not using the weasel word distinguished but describing there term of office. I believe Sydney Grammar has a list of all Headmasters.

[edit] NSW School Certificate

Sorry about that i misread your edit. DXRAW 12:37, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Newington College Industrial Dispute

Dear Albatross

Would you please have a look at this disputed column and give an opinion by reading the citations and external links - or better still write a new article. It appears to be badly written, repetitious, and lacking neutrality. As it is a current dispute surely it should be no more than a paragraph with links to reputable reports. I would appreciate your opinion.Aagps 03:40, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Fairfield High School, NSW

Hi Albatross2147, I've blocked the most recent offender. If the vandalism starts up again, let me know and I can protect the page. Cheers -- Samir धर्म 01:02, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Reverted and warned; I've got my eye on it. Thanks for informing me -- Samir धर्म 15:04, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Nine Network

It seems fine now. Cheers — Gary Kirk | talk! 11:27, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Thank you.

Thanks for clearing up the edit issue. :)

[edit] Your Changes to Nine Network

Please do not add nonsense to Wikipedia; it is considered vandalism. If you would like to experiment, use the sandbox. Thank you. - Mike Beckham 11:41, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Belated thanks

Thank you for participating in my RfA. Consensus to promote was reached, and I am now an administrator. I'll be using the tools cautiously at first, and everyone should feel welcome to peer over my shoulder and make sure I'm not doing anything foolish. --RobthTalk 04:17, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Greeny in the bible belt

Hey mate. Fellow Greeny here. I don't know if you're religious or not, but I do know you live in a very conservative part of Sydney. Are you a member of a local branch down your way? Dankru 07:26, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hanslope50

Your image of Hanslope in 1950 seems to have been voided? --Concrete Cowboy 23:06, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Strange, other pics were ok. Will try to find time to match pic, but not any time soon. --Concrete Cowboy 12:05, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Pickhaver Coment

Umm perhaps i am wrong.. but i remember Pickhaver comming to our school to talk at assembly and i thought they said he was an ex student.

[edit] Memo

Memo to self - stop trying to be fair.

NPOV is non-negotiable. Thanks, Andjam 12:14, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

This is regarding the article and talk pages of John Howard. Welcome to Wikipedia. Please do not add unreferenced negative information to biographies of living persons, as you did to John Howard. Thank you. Andjam 11:59, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

You don't have to be an admin to give a warning. You only have to be one to block someone. Andjam 03:48, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
I said that the statement is uncited. And it was. And I haven't been pushing a Point Of View about Howard. Whereas you have openly expressed your intention to do so. Andjam 03:01, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Regarding your edits at John Howard, it seems that you have some personal recollections of Howard's behaviour at Vietnam rallies in the 60s. Why not take it to a journalist (you know, like an ex-Media Watch host who seems to like researching Howard's history) rather than put it on Wikipedia, where I'm not sure it really belongs. Rocksong 04:58, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

This is for persisting to add uncited material to John Howard.

You have made an edit to John Howard that could be regarded as defamatory. Please do not restore this material to the article or its talk page. If you do, you may be blocked for disruption. See the blocking policy. Andjam 10:16, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

You have made an edit to John Howard that could be regarded as defamatory. Please do not restore this material to the article or its talk page. If you restore this material to the article or its talk page once more, you will be blocked for disruption. See Blocking policy: Biographies of living people. Andjam 11:28, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Everything that is in a wikipedia article should be supported by a reference to a reliable source. Even if it's to say that water is wet, or that the sun rises in the east. Thanks, Andjam 11:42, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

If it is of biographical significance, then a reliable source would have noted it by now. Don't use wikipedia as a soapbox. As for the sun rising in the east ... it's regrettable that it's currently unreferenced, but at least someone has tagged the article as needing references. Andjam 12:12, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

I've never thought of you as a looney, merely as a Greens supporter. There is a slight difference. (What in particular were you referring to?) Andjam 13:36, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

I may not be able to have a decent look at the question about the VC project in a timely manner. Andjam 11:16, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Schools

I don't think schools are inherently notable (I also disgree that all highways are notable, but I can't do anything about that). If you see an article about pastors or anything/one you feel are not notable, then just nominate them for deletion. Edgecution 00:36, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Civility on school articles

Regarding [1]- it is uncivil and unproductive to refer to other editors as "fundies." JoshuaZ 02:16, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] RE: Gang Show edits

Satisfactory. I can't say I like having the paragraph there stating one show above others, even if it is not mentioned by name, but for now it will do. Dac 00:03, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm afraid you have, in fact, got my stance wrong. I encourage a lot of the things to be put it, as many as possible. But to single out one show above all others when we have a wide range of them seems overtly unfair to the others and comes across as advertising. Don't get me wrong, I thought Cumberland Gang Show this year was good (yes, I went to see it ;) ) but for an international event such as this, to single it out is injecting it above other shows. Thank you. Dac 00:24, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Militia VCs

Reg Rattey. Same battle as Partridge, Slater's Knoll in the Bougainville campaign (1943-45). Cheers, Grant65 | Talk 09:47, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Delete

No I redirected it to his daughters page. The guy is not notable for anything other than having a disabled daughter. --Peta 23:17, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

  • It wasn't; I made an editorial decision. Please stop posting to my old talk page. --Peta 23:23, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
    • I am an editor; I can make decisions. I don't need permission. --Peta 23:26, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
      • My signiture links to my current talk page; I don't know how you are getting to the old one. --Peta 23:27, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Undo the redirect if you want. The article - if you can call it that - is still there. --Peta 23:36, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ron Delezio

An article that you have been involved in editing, Ron Delezio, has been listed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ron Delezio. Please look there to see why this is, if you are interested in whether it should be deleted. Thank you. --TruthbringerToronto (Talk | contribs) 04:02, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ron Delezio

Alright...you caught me. I too can make typos...which I'm sure you've never done, and I commend you for it. I have since gone back and added the 'e' that I had so carelessly sailed over. Note that I didn't forget it in my link to his daughter. Aside from that, I find it itneresting that you decided to post such a comment on my page, and editor who wants to merge the small amount of information presented to the more relevant article Sophie Delezio, instead of on the talk pages of those who wish to see it go. My opinion was formed by reviewing both articles, and noting that there was very little to say about Mr. DelEzio. The only real notable facts, in my opinion, are his award and his award nomination, and of coarse that he's the father of Sophie. Other than that, he's just not that notable. However, those two bits of information are notable, and can fit just fine into his daughter's article.Ganfon 18:43, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Yea yea yea. Review my numerous contributions across the project including the extensive number of articles I have authored and/or rewritten and then presume to cast aspersions about my bad faith. Disagree with me - fair enough. But leave it at that. Eusebeus 02:25, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
I agree with Eusebeus. Your article was nominated for deletion. The majority of people believe it should be merged/deleted. The people who contribute to AFD understand that Wikipedia runs by consensus, they review the article as it would appear in a normal encyclopedia and form their opinion. I understand you're proud of your article. I understand you're angry that it has been nominated for deletion. I too have had articles I felt, and still feel are notable enough to be in Wikipedia and have been deleted via the AfD process. However I did not go around complaining on the talk pages of those who disagreed with me. I did go and try to prove my point, as you did, and failed as you are. But I realized when it was time to move on, I didn't continue to patronize other people by preaching what my idea of notability was...Wikipedia had done that for me. I'm sorry about your article, I really am. But please stop lecturing the people who said it should be merged, we are merely trying to help this encyclopedia. Ganfon 04:38, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
You know what I meant by 'your article', and if you didn't...I was referring to the fact that you had taken responsibility for and were fighting vigorously to keep it alive (which I do respect (to a point) by the way). Technically speaking, you never asked me a question to begin with, but I did answer the implied query in my original comment back. However, since I obviously confused you, I will try reiterate as plainly as possible. I saw the AfD, I reviewed the article. I looked back on what other editors thought. I then reviewed over Sophie's article. Finally I factored all of this together and came to the conclusion that it was not notable enough for it's own article, but the awards and such could be mentioned in the Sophie articlle, which is notable. I'm sorry this has turned into the argument it has, but my opinion won't change, and neither will your's, so let's leave it at that and stop patronizing each other. Ganfon 04:56, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hillsong article

Thanks for bringing this to my attention, friend. I've corrected it. Tonicthebrown 10:35, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi Albatross. Actually I am an ex-Adventist, but still have an interest in Adventism --hence my contribution to the Wikipedia articles. I wouldn't personally call the Adventists a cult, but I think some of their beliefs are definitely not mainstream Christian. I think I can be fairly NPOV because I want neither to glorify nor denigrate the church.

To clarify those terms for you: "Pentecostal" is a style of Christianity which focuses heavily on the Holy Spirit, miracles and worship. The Assemblies of God (AOG) are a denomination which are Pentecostal, and Hillsong is part of AOG. To be "non-denominational", a church cannot be part of a denomination (Anglican, Baptist, AOG, Adventist, etc.) Cheers. Tonicthebrown 03:29, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Orphaned fair use image (Image:Kevingilbert eodt.jpg)

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[edit] Gang Show

The Gang Show is an important part of Scouting in many countries if not the USA. I am reverting you high handed reversion. Albatross2147 11:41, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

There are many things that are important in some countries, but not most. By your standards, virtually everything should be in See also.Rlevse 12:28, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
Yes, you are being silly, if you'd bother to check, the last person who rv'd your entry was Bduke, who is British and living in Australia, the same place as you.Rlevse 12:43, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
Grow up and check WP:CIVIL. Rlevse 12:52, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Guide to layout#See also Rlevse 13:00, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

No actually it's being blunt and to the point when being confronted by high handed priggishness." You shouldn't talk about yourself that way.Rlevse 13:45, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
Believe me, I could be much harsher, but then I'd be stooping down to your lowly, infantile, and puerile level.Rlevse 13:51, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pauline Hanson

I give up - user:beneaththelandslide and all the other Hansonites are going to keep removing her racial makeup.

--PeterMarkSmith 10:24, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] AMB PH Quote

Now - let's see if the neo nazi Hasonites try removing the lady's words themselves? --PeterMarkSmith 15:39, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Well they did! --PeterMarkSmith 08:33, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] rfa thanks

The first one was no consensus. The second was [2]. The wikilink at the top of my user talk is wrong, sorry. ⇒ SWATJester On Belay! 21:23, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Darrel Chapman

South Sydney 1960 - 1964 played 73 games/10 tries for 30 points New South Wales 1959 played 1 game/0 points Australia 1959 - 1960 kangaroo tour played 0 games

Kempsey born fullback played for Northern New South Wales against New Zealand in 1959 before forcing his way into the full New South Wales side. Was selected in the 1959 - 1960 Kangaroo side to tour Europe playing in 18 matches but never making a test appearance, he signed for South Sydney at the completion of the tour.

He captained the Rabbitohs for four seasons from 1961 - 1964 and after his retirement built a prominent career in coaching and admininstation. He went on to serve on the NSWRL coaching panel and held positions with the New South Wales department of Sport, Australian coaching education council and the National Rugby League coaching scheme.

A teacher who moved into the sports science field with the Lismore campus of the University of New England; he eventually lost his long battle with cancer in 1992 at the age of 55. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tiburon (talk

All the raw information is from The Encyclopedia of Rugby League Players. Alan Whiticker & Glen Hudson, 2002 (Gary Allen Publishing Pty Ltd); though I have paraphrased a lot of writing above.

Tiburon 03:47, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Rabbitohs Playing record from the Rabbitohs Website legends section 1st Grade Matches: 61; 1st Grade Tries: 10; 1st Grade Points: 30 2nd Grade Matches: 2 3rd Grade Matches: 4; 3rd Grade Tries: 1; 3rd Grade Points: 3 Total Matches: 67; Total Tries: 11; Total Points: 33 They spell it Darrell Sticks66 20:48, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ralph READER

Albatross - thanks for your comments. As you can see I am a new user, only trying out my first edit less than a week ago. The information about Ralph Reader living in Denton, Sussex comes from personal knowledge but is also sourced from "The East Sussex Village Book" by Rupert Taylor (1986) ISBN 0-905392-59-0. However I will visit the local museum (where I am a member) and find out exactly when and where her lived there. Cheers and best wishes Kevin - Seaford - Sussex

[edit] Jesus and Mo

I have removed the Wp links you inserted to the articles on both the mythical and historical persons who happen to share the same names as the characters in the strip. My understanding is that the author of the strip does not intend that the characters should be perceived as referring to the mythical and historical persons. This might explain why the Ganesh character made only a single appearance since any representation is perhaps too unique. Albatross2147 03:24, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Oh come on! You know that's exactly what he's doing. If not then why all the references to him walking on water and having stigmata? Anything he says about it being a joke or a stand-in is part of the comedy mocking the evasiveness of people who criticize or who do parodies. I really think they should be added back. Tyciol 15:27, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
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