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First Lady || Higuchi's party || Book reference || Self coup ? || Name || don't wikify all the dates || Pronunciation || Cuzco100, please discuss your issues here || Kenya or Kenyo? || This article is highly biased AGAINST Fujimori || Mayor modifications || note to Messhermit || For Viajero || NPOV || A Knight named Fujimori || Lengthy essays not helpful || Points of dispute || The US, The UK and the EU said that MRTA and Sendero are TERRORIST GROUPS || Constitutionality of third term || Perceptions of AF's regime: Totalitarian? Autocratic? A dictatorship? A mafia?...
Is Viajero the "owner" of this article? || Personal Attacks against other Wikipedist || Overhaul of English, & some questions || Photos about the "terrorist/guerrilla fighters" || Hajor's edits || re. APRODEH || UK vs. US English || A question || Compromise to the aticle || In support || Thoughts from an outsider || Viajero's view || Treaty of Ancón? || "views of opposition"? || Changes || Recent dubious edits: cut from article || Fuji-Cola ? || Fujimori on 2006 ? || APOYO reference needs citation || Legacy section || Viajero: Intolerant with other POV || The state of the country on the 90´s, about terrorism, have to be portraid || Cumpliendo
legacy: privatizations || Background information on tax revenue from mining || first person of Asian descent to become head of state of a non-Asian nation || Suggestions || mramirez: several questions || First person of Asian descent to become head of state of a South American nation || Use of statistics in a wrong way || fujimoriextraditable.com.pe || UDoN't!wAn*'s edits || Sloppy info on the autogolpe || Resignation || Guerrilla changed to Insurgent || Revisit NPOV || Further discussion does it really worth? || More dubious material || Poll numbers: discrepancy || Discussion || Legacy of Anti-Terrorism || Fujimori in Chile || "Fujimori Fujimori" || Name in Japanese? || The Fall of Fujimori || Citations needed || Engagement || Where was he born? || "Constitutional President" || Protection || Hoping for a consensus edit || MedCab case || Unprotected || Telephone waiting period || citation 'drift' || Criminality

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[edit] Civil War & Fujimori

I have reverted the heading "Peruvian Civil War (1980-1992)" listed by an anonymous editor. The subheading seems to imply that Civil War in Peru ended by 1992 which is unsubstantiated, moreover the prior heading chronology is illogical in the context of the Fujimori entry. --User:Bdean1963 19, October 2006

  • Sendero's first political act was the boycott to the 1980's Peruvian Presidential Election. Belaunde labeled them as simple "avijeos" - "cattle thieves".
  • According to the "Truth and Reconciliation Committee", the most violent period happened during the Garcia Administration. So far, García, for some estrange reason is not criticized here in Wikipedia.
  • Abimael Guzmán, leader of Sendero Luminoso, was captured in 1992. That year marked the political and military defeat of Sendero and the end of the most ruthless violence in Peru.
  • Remnants of Sendero are still a problem in some areas of the country (mostly in the Jungle), but are not even close to the power that Sendero had before 1992. BTW, Guzmán dosn't approve those actions.
  • Bdean has never criticized Sendero, MRTA and García. Is that NPOV?

Additional revervison of edits by anonymous editor who appears to have a personal grudge, as well as a disdain for international Human Rights standards & the rule of law.--User:Bdean1963 19, 2006

and wiki guidance, see Wikipedia:Words to avoid - terrorist... Addhoc 22:13, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
  • As can be noted by the recent editing dispute between myself and an anonymous editor,(74.225.227.204), my edits have been changed because of quote "Loaded terms and weasel words". As I have noted above, edits by anonymous editor(s) appear to have a personal grudge, as well as a disdain for international Human Rights standards & the rule of law. I welcome feedback. Thanks. --User:Bdean1963 20, October 2006
According to Mr."I-am-a-selfproclaimed-Human-Rights-Advocate", his definition of "Human Rights" does not include any type of criticism to the violence that Sendero created and Alan García's triumphal return to the same country that he devastated. By "Rule of Law" we can also imply that Bdean's definition doesn't include any type of comment regarding Sendero's disrespect for the Peruvian constitution and laws. According to him, "Everything is Fujimori's fault". —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.225.227.204 (talk • contribs).
The reality is you are a single purpose account who is edit warring and ignoring the advice of words to avoid - terrorist... Addhoc 09:24, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
You only have to look at Bdean's editions [1] to realize that he is a single purpose account. He also self-proclaimed himself as a "Human Rights Advocate", clearly promoting a one-side view of the world. Also, I wonder how impartial is the language that he uses...
For the avoidance of doubt it's perfectly ok to indicate that a government implemented legislation concerning terrorism. What isn't ok would be to describe that government as a terrorist organization. Could I request you have a look at Wikipedia:Words to avoid - terrorist. Addhoc 15:01, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
Can someone revert my last edition? Messhermit 15:34, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
Due to constant disputes in the article, I made the mistake of editing the article in one attempt to "lower" the dispute. I'm currently asking someone to remove my last edition. I did not have the intention of defying my ban. Thanks. Messhermit 15:37, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Now to the main argument: I wonder how the government that abolished the mandatory military service in Peru is responsible for the "militarization" of Peru. Messhermit 15:52, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Ok, I would agree the following sentence could be removed, it has been tagged and is also slightly vague:
"Some have credited this as part of a successful fight against insurgency, while other commentators have attributed this strategy to the increased militarization of Peruvian society, whose impact lingers to this day." Addhoc 00:08, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
What is this? I'm not allowed to use the term "terrorist" to describe organization such as Sendero Luminoso or the MRTA, but it is ok for Bdean to state (politically motivated, of course) that Fujimori was a "dictator"? So Wikipedia has double standards and allow self-described "Human Right Advocates" to do whatever they want here?
Hi, regarding the use of dictator linked to "Contrasting Variants of the Populism of Hugo Chávez and Alberto Fujimori" by Steve Ellner, I found the following abstract.
"During the 1990s Peru's Alberto Fujimori and Argentina's Carlos Menem were the two main political successes of Latin American populism. Both completed two successive presidential terms, a unique accomplishment in the continent, and overcame the political instability that previously beset their nations."[2]
Accordingly, I would suggest 'dictator' could be replaced with 'president', unless Bdean could supply another quote that gives a different emphasis. Addhoc 17:30, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
I recommend that Addhoc as well as the unsigned commentator actually read the essay "The Contrasting Variants of the Populism of Hugo Chávez and Alberto Fujimori." Journal of Latin American Studies. February 2003 by Steve Ellner, rather than merely relying on an internet abstract! I would be happy to provide you with further assistance if your only database is the abstract from one of the field's "flag ship" journals. Regards--User:Bdean1963 22, October 2006
The main problem here is that Bdean WANTS the word "dictator" somewhere in Fujimori's article. He might be using this for a political agenda: after all, he once attempted to use this page for commercial purposes and has declared himself as an "Active Human Rights Advocate" with no impartiality at all.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.2.103.216 (talk • contribs).

Signing one's posts on Wikipedia discourse (especially talk pages) is not only good etiquette; it also facilitates discussion by helping those like myself to identify the author of a particular comment, and to address specific comments to the relevant user(s). I firmly believe that open, transparent discussion is a crucial aspect of collaborative editing as it enables us to better comprehend the development of knowledge. I am proud of my scholarly record and academic achievements, but above all, my unflagging commitment to human rights and social justice. As such, I hope the preceding unsigned comment added by 65.2.103.216 will further the on-going debate regarding Alberto Fujimori's role in shaping Peruvian society, not to mention clarify the serious criminal accusations facing the former President--User:Bdean1963 22, October 2006

Yes Bdean, keep throwing flowers at yourself. It is sad to see someone is praising himself, not to mention that your last comment clearly states your political agenda here in Wikipedia. This IP user is making several mistakes by not addressing specifically what is his/her complains about the page, but your narrow-mindedness goes is beyond any doubt. I encourage anyone to rv Bdean's political motivated editions from this article, since I personally don't believe that "Caviar Leftist" can actually do something to improve this page.Messhermit 18:52, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
  • I don't believe that the article improves with Bdean's contributions. He keeps pushing a political agenda and using "weasel words" and "loaded terms". Do I have to make myself more cleat than that?
  • I don't have Phd or a MBA, but you don't need to have those college degrees to realize that Bdean's editions are nothing more than biased and politically motivated. What kind of neutrality can a self-proclaimed "Human Right Activist" provide? Next time he will be defending (and who knows, perhaps also praising) Sendero Luminoso violent “revolutionary” campaign and ruthless killing of thousands of Peruvians. It is disturbing and offending that a "Human Rights Advocate" fails to address those issues.

I formally request that User:Messhermit desist from making personal attacks on me and abide with the ban on making edits on the Alberto Fujimori entry, many thanks.—User:Bdean1963 23 October, 2006

Your actions and words seem to not make too much sense Bdean. Asking for respect when you are not providing any respect for different opinions?. Messhermit 00:27, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

As an American, I don't read much of the Journal of Latin American Studies (a British Publication). I read Latin American Research Review much more often. Both of these journals are very highly respected. I've noticed that a lot of articles that LARR publishes do call Fujimori a "dictator." They also usually have a footnote explaining the various recent works that have categorized Fujimori's power as dictatorial. Consequentially, I think it's legitimate to mention that a large number of leading voices within the Latin American studies community have called Fujimori a dictator. I do not, however, think that wikipedia should just unequivocally say that he was a dictator. It's such a highly contentious issue that I think just saying "Fujimori was a dictator" would subtract from this article, but explaining the entire debate over Fujimori's use of power, especially his creation of clientalistic networks, would add to the overall article. --Descendall 00:56, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

By the way, a decent starting point from LARR might be Jo-Marie Burt's "'Quien Habla es Terrorista': The Political use of Fear in Fujimori's Peru." That's actually in the most recent LARR. --Descendall 01:00, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
Just by the title I can see that it's not impartial at all. I wonder why is so much emphasis in Fujimori and not a single word regarding Sendero's ruthless massacres in Peru. Messhermit 01:05, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
Well, what can I say? It's in the journal of the Latin American Studies Association, the absolute best journal on the subject in the entire world. And you haven't even read it. But you already know that you don't like it. That's a shame. But since you're banned from editing this article, you'll haveto forgive me for not really caring what you think. --Descendall 01:08, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for comments. I didn't know that you will take Wikipedia so seriously as to take it to the personal level. Also, curious indeed that you only select readings that *.*obviously*.* will be favorable to your idea. Messhermit 01:10, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
Just for the record, I found this article [3] created by the same "impartial" person that Descendall recommended... and I realize that that is nothing more than pure Leftist propaganda. Next time, she might suggest that we should build a monument for those emerretistas. Should we trust the judgment of someone that defends murderers? Messhermit 01:20, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
The funny thing is that not only are there are several citations to things that Burt wrote in the Shining Path article, and not only does every single one have to do with the brutality of Sendero, but the very article that I first mentioned is one of them. --Descendall 04:13, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
Does anyone else see the supreme irony in all this. Messhermit is saying that he can tell that Jo-Marie Burt is a terrorist because she spoke up againt Fujimori in an article sarcasticly titled "Whoever speaks up is a terrorist." --Descendall 19:34, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
So self proclaiming yourself as a "Human Rights Advocate" = impartiality here in Wikipedia? Interesting. I also find the following thing plausible, using Descendall words: because a supposed "large number of leading voices within the American studies community have called George W. Bush a dictator" turns him automatically into one?Messhermit 01:03, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
No, but I'd say that if the 50 most promident Americanist political scientists came out and said that Bush is a dictator, some discussion of his use of power might be warranted on George W. Bush. Wouldn't you? --Descendall 01:10, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
So you will continue to push for having George W. Bush in the Dictator's list? Messhermit 01:11, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
I would ask what part of Descendall's comment you didn't understand, but clearly it was the word "if". I suggest you re-read what he wrote and not pretend that he wrote something different.
I think it is entirely appropriate that we cite and quote academic sources that characterize Fujimori (presumably after the autogolpe) as a "dictator"; it is also entirely appropriate if we cite and quote academic sources that disagree with the assessment; in any case, the word should not be used in Wikipedia's own narrative voice. Similarly for calling Sendero "terrorist", but less of an issue here because this is not the article on Sendero. I personally think both characterizations are accurate, but my opinions don't particularly belong in the article. - Jmabel | Talk 17:26, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sockpuppetry

Messhermit is banned from editing this article. However, I believe that he is editing the article as 65.2.103.216. The following are my reasons to believe this:

  • At one point, Messhermit acted in total defiance of the ban and edited the article. [12] This creates the impression that he forgot to log out and edit as 65.2.103.216.
  • 65.2.103.216 and Messhermit have rushed to defend one another on this talk page, and are in apparent 100% agreement with each other.

If 65.2.103.216 and Messhermit are not the same editor, than I deeply apologize to both of them. I feel somewhat embarrassed to be the one to make such a serious accusation, but it seems to me that a wikipedian banned from editing this article may be doing so. --Descendall 01:35, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

The fact that you took your time to dig up such amazing theory only proves that because you disagree with me, you attempt to throw mud to my Wikipedian record. Let's ban every single PC in the US and Peru because Messhermit might be behind those computers, right? Messhermit 01:44, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
It won't be that difficult. User:147.70.124.59's IP address is owned by Miami-Dade College. Perhaps it wasn't such a great idea to put the fact that you attend Miami-Dade College on your use page. --Descendall 01:55, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
Go ahead, I wonder if I'm the only peruvian that attend the Miami-Dade College and lives in Miami-Dade County and believes that Fujimori was not a "dictator". Messhermit 02:00, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
And I wonder if you're the only Peruvian who attends Miami-Dade College and has a good reason to hide their name while editing this article and is a wikipedian and a Fujimorista. I'm betting that you are. I guess we'll find out shortly. --Descendall 02:03, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
I should ad and uses the term "POV dectected" and starts all revisions with "rv." including the period. By the way, how's that Bell South internet service working out for you? --Descendall 02:06, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
Also, why don't you critizise Bdean's unilateral view of Fujimori? or maybe because you support his actions? Messhermit 01:44, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
This has become nothing more than a “which hunt” against my person imposed by two leftist wikipedians that hold a grudge against my person. I will refuse to answer anything due to the fact that this is nothing more than a political persecution and an attempt to subdue my freedom of speech here in Wikipedia. Messhermit 01:49, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

--Descendall I appreciate your judicious and even handed intervention in the apparent edit dispute between User:Messhermit and me. Regards, User: Bdean1963 23 October 2006

This article appears to be in a state of near-crisis. I have formally filed my suspecions that 65.2.103.216, 147.70.124.59, 74.225.187.18, 74.225.227.204, 147.70.153.117, 68.215.109.135, 147.70.153.139‎ and Messhermit are all the same person. Because Messhermit is banned from editing this article, if my suspecions are concerned I think we may have to delete the material added by all of those IPs. Please see Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Messhermit. --Descendall 08:19, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Concerns

Having a looked at the article, and reading some of the dispute on this page I have concerns. I'm particularly concerned about this edit from Bdean [14] which seems to reintroduce a number of unsourced claims, and a couple of sourced claims that overtly stress highly contentious opinions. Almost none of the present wording dealing with these claims and issues would be acceptable to me were they to be applied on the pages I regularly edit and monitor. I suggest that if editors want to keep any of this material, and judging by the action on this talk page it seems they do, then the priority should be to find multiple serious sources. And fast. Because the weasel word police routinely scour for such material, and can be ruthless in dispensing justice. That is my two cents.--Zleitzen 03:23, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Zleitzen, I for one am duly alarmed about the weasel words police. I also echo your suggestion to the extent individual users should just edit to improve portions of the article they have issues with, rather than entirely revert the complicated contributions of individual users or make personal accusations against them. Simply put cite tags on unsourced claims or add other referenced content to accurately and appropriately contextualize referenced if negative information. While the burden of proof for establishing claims is always on the contributor Wikipedia:Verifiability#Burden_of_evidence, we can all help Wikipedia run more smoothly by adding more referenced content rather than critiquing and criticizing individual users. Best regards to all,--Amerique 04:41, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

--Dear Zleitzen, as Amerique wisely notes, all of us can help Wikipedia, “run more smoothly by adding more referenced content rather than critiquing and criticizing individual users.” Given you observation that you “regularly edit and monitor” Wikipedia, combined with your concerns about the veracity of the substantive content of the Wikipedia entry on Alberto Fujimori and suggestion that the priority of the editors “should be to find multiple serious sources. And fast…. That is my two cents”, may I recommend that you assist in advancing knowledge regarding the contentious nature of the Alberto Fujimori Presidency (1990-2000). I look forward to your constructive feedback on continuing the open dialogue about Alberto Fujimori's controversial role in history, and the continued legal challenges that face him. Regards—-Bdean1963 23 October 2006

I could assist by removing all unsourced claims and weasel words according to WP:BLP guidelines, which state that such claims should be removed immediately. Simply keeping "citation needed" tags is not good enough. And as noted above, the burden of proof for establishing claims is on the contributor Wikipedia:Verifiability#Burden_of_evidence. A period of grace has been generously bestowed by a number of editors on this material it seems, but this period can and will run out very shortly. We can also help wikipedia by abiding by policy, and stressing these core policies on the talk page, can we not?--Zleitzen 13:17, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

--Dear Zleitzen, thank you for your constructive feedback. I agree with your suggestions that all unsourced claims should be removed, and keeping "citation needed" tags is simply “not good enough". Moreover the Alberto Fujimori entry would indeed benefit from a careful edit to avoid weasel words. Perhaps the talk page would be an appropriate forum to discus which terms or words have "the effect of, softening the force of a potentially loaded or otherwise controversial statement, or avoids forming a clear position on a particular issue." Given the democratic spirit of the Wikipedia project, I believe that the Alberto Fujimori talk page would provide an appropriate venue to voice diverse points of view regarding weasel words. I do agree with you that the "citation needed tags" confuse the "generalist" reader, and you are right that the burden of "proof" for establishing such claims rests with the contributor. As you will note from my contributions to the Alberto Fujimori entry, I am not responsible for the information posted that has the "citation needed tags" (but rather the individual who placed most, if not all of them in the essay). Having said that, I do think a number of the unsourced claims may in fact be "true". I would be happy to try and find reliable sources to substantiate the claims that I believe are "true". I trust that you will do likewise in an effort to advance knowledge. I am a bit confused by your last statement: "We can also help Wikipedia by abiding by policy, and stressing these core policies on the talk page, can we not?" I would be happy to abide by the "core policies" and if I have violated any, I apologize. Any advice would be much appreciated. And thanks in advance for your counsel. Regards--Bdean1963 23 October 2006


Yes, I agree that unsupported material shouldn't be tagged indefinately, so removing these sentences would be appropriate... Addhoc 13:55, 23 October 2006 (UTC)


  1. The main problem here is Bdean, someone that clearly follows a political agenda, believes that his "word" is the law, has attempted to use Wikipedia for commercial purposes and has already failed to follow Wikipedia's NPOV rules by sponsoring the use of words such as "dictator". Just by looking at his Fujimori's entry in List of dictators you can see his true intentions. Messhermit 13:52, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
  2. It is clear for me, at this point, that there are people here that believe to be "right" in every sense of the word, twisting and adapting facts to their own personal (and who knows, maybe commercial) purposes. I have already declined a meaningless mediation, and I have formally requested that every single contribution that I made in those articles be erased. I'm not going to force anyone to go "my way or the highway", because I know how frustrating that is. Messhermit 13:52, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
  3. I already leave a comment in the "Talk Page" of the Administrator that imposed my ban in the Fujimori's article. In this sense, I'm withdrawing myself and leaving from Alberto Fujimori and List of Dictators articles permanently. From now on, Bdean can do whatever he wants here, since apparently he has self proclaimed himself (besides "Human Right Advocate") as judge and jury, ignoring the fact that so far the Peruvian, Chilean and Japanese courts have not stated anything regarding the former President. Messhermit 13:52, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Presidential elections in Peru, April 2006

mramirez500 Elections in Peru added to the article.

[edit] Civil War and Alberto Fujimori

In response AAAAA recent edit of the Alberto Fujimori as well as the posting on my talk page: (There wasn't a civil war. I'm from Peru and the only thing that happened was the suppression of two terrorists movements by the government which were devastating the country. The repressions could have beens strong, but battles against terrorists were necessary to disarm them and capture them. Maybe the title of the section should be "Terrorism and Fujimori". 201.240.239.229 02:03, 30 October 2006 (UTC))

201.240.239.229 thank you for your feedback. The fact that you “are from Peru” has absolutely no intellectual or epistemological bearing on the Alberto Fujimori entry. Similarly, I am a British Citizen as well as a Peruvian resident, but this has no bearing on your unsourced assertion “[t]here wasn't a civil war. I'm from Peru and the only thing that happened was the suppression of two terrorist’s movements by the government which were devastating the country.” I have had a long and on-going academic association with the Universidad Nacional Mayor de San Marcos, and have conducted scholarly research on Peruvian political violence (including the 1990-2000 period). On the basis of my academic expertise, I can assure you that the civil unrest and culture of terror that plagued Peru during Alberto Fujimori’s authoritarian regime can not simply be equated with “battles” against “two terrorists movements by the government.” I concur with the findings of the Peruvian Truth and Reconciliation Commission that Sendero Luminoso, MRTA (Movimiento Revolucionario Túpac Amaru), as well as official and paramilitary agents of the Fujimori controlled State were involved in gross human rights violations. While the Peruvian Truth and Reconciliation Commission noted that the majority of the human rights violations and atrocities committed between the years 1980 and 1995 were primarily linked to Sendero Luminoso, the final report is quite clear in noting that members of the Peruvian armed forces were also guilty of destroying entire rural communities and extrajudicial assassination of suspected supporters of insurgent forces and bandits, particularly in provincial regions of the country, such as Ayacucho, the central “jungle” (selva central) and the Huallaga Valley in the provinces of San Martin and Loreto. The extent to which Peru’s complex and systematic violations of basic human rights was equivalent to terrorism, especially in light of the contentious nature of the highly charged term, is itself eminently debatable. Your suggestion that “[m]aybe the title of the section should be “Terrorism and Fujimori’” seems to elide the extent to which the Alberto Fujimori regime was also allegedly party to acts of state terrorism, as demonstrated by the imprisonment of officials of the government, such as Vladimiro Montesinos, and by the efforts of the Peruvian government to extradite Alberto Fujimori from Chile, where he is currently in exile, detained from leaving the country while the extradition case against him is resolved. Clearly the civil strife and political violence noted during the Fujimori regime (1990-2000) also involved the historically persistent problems associated with poverty, ignorance, and the profound social inequities of racism, themselves embedded in the pre-Columbian, Spanish colonial, and subsequent development of “Republican” or modern Peruvian social configurations. Fujimori’s neo-liberal approach to the Peruvian economy curried favor in Washington D.C., but this was contradicted by the unbridled growth in a voracious “shadow economy” predicated on the illicit trade in a wide array of items--including: coca, tropical hardwoods, gold, pelts, petroleum and armaments. No doubt the violence and terror observed during the Alberto Fujimori government was not a new aspect of Peru’s recent political history, as demonstrated by the duration of the war in Peru. As such, I feel it more appropriate to use the terms civil war when labeling this section of the Alberto Fujimori entry. I look forward to your thoughts. Saludos, User:Bdean1963 30 October 2006

[edit] Messhermit

Once again, we have IPs from Miami, Florida editing this page, such as User:65.8.62.65. Every single one of the Miami-based IPs that had previously edited this page was identified by checkuser as a sockpuppet of Messhermit. This is getting exausting. --Descendall 22:04, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

  • Thanks Descendall for your editorial efforts and dedication to intellectual integrity. Saludos, User:Bdean1963 21 November 2006

Please note that User:Messhermit has been banned from editing the Alberto Fujimori entry [15], yet User:Messhermit has continued to make edits regarding Alberto Fujimori [16] User:Bdean1963 8 February, 2007

Would you mind stop chasing ghost and solve the disputes in War of the Pacific and Tacna Region? That would help a lot to improve those articles. You are not Blocked anymore, so there is no excuse now. Messhermit 20:04, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Proposing the use of unbalanced tag for this article

Hi guys, i am new to wikipedia, and certainly i have no intention to began a edit war as you call it on this site?. But i think this article it is a little bit unbalanced, as i can see one user has been complaining about it. How about if this template {{Unbalanced}} is used on this article?. I think if the reader sees this message at the bottom of the article and he or she thinks this article is not balanced may discuss its opinions here by clicking on the link to the discussion page, cheers :)--201.240.182.180 23:18, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm a bit confused. The only person who was complaining about imbalance was Messhermit, who was clearly attempting to insert his own bias, to the point where there was a ruling banning him from editing the article, which he continues to try to change through the use of sockpuppets. That is not the sort of situation where we usually use the {{unbalanced}} tag. I'd propose removing the tag unless someone can give a cogent explanation of how the article is imbalanced: that is, either something significant that it leaves out, or something that is here that is given disproportionate weight. - Jmabel | Talk 03:10, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

I agree with Jmabel and suggest the {{unbalanced}} tag be removed. User:Bdean1963 1, January 2007

I removed the tag. As there have been no serious objections on the talk page.--Jersey Devil 08:00, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Marriage

A minor observation: it says he married Susana Higuchi in '74, but their daughter Keiko Fujimori was born in '73. I doubt both these dates are right. SamEV 16:58, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

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