User talk:Al95521

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[edit] License tagging for Image:Bike Library.jpg

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[edit] Spider Woman

I took it off the dab page because it linked to the article for the Marvel Comics character - it didn't seem to link to any relevant article. If you want to put it back in then be my guest. PC78 13:32, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Humbolpedia.com link removal

There are a couple of reasons I removed the Humbolpedia.com link. Mainly, I removed it because the link has been spammed in the past, having been added to a ton of Humboldt County articles without linking to a page that is specifically about the article subject. The Wikipedia:External links guideline says that links should be about the article subject, not just generally related.

The IP address that added the link has only made 4 edits, all to add the Humbolpedia.com link, so it seemed link further "link spamming" to me that was meant to further Humbolpedia.com and not to improve Wikipedia. When I removed these links the first time around, the IP that had added them had also done nothing but add Humbolpedia.com links, so I felt that it was nothing more than an attempt to increase their search engine rank. It might be different if it was done by a user or IP that had actually added real content to the encyclopedia. Mike Dillon 04:58, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Proposing a Merge

Here is the wiki article on Merges http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Merging_and_moving_pages

When using wikipedia example pages, I have a standard way of doing it:

A. Find a usage that you like of the thing you are trying to do

1.Hit edit on the example page 2.copy the text of the example you want to use 3.hit the back button or close without saving

B. (Note: I usually have a tab (firefox) open with the page I am editing)

1. Paste the example text 2. modify it to fit your needs 3. Hit the preview button before saving 4. say what your edit is before saving Vampyrecat 00:43, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Help request

Hi. I've redirected the page for you. See WP:R for help on creating redirects. Also, in the future, note that the helpme template is intended to be placed on your own user talk page (since that's where we'll usually need to conduct the discussion). Have a nice day. --Sopoforic 07:38, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] fsm

Glad you like them, happy editing! — xaosflux Talk 06:11, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Adoption Offer

Hi there,

I am here to offer my services as an Adopter - I can help with many things from the technical to the procedural - if you are interested leave a message on my talk page. Cheers Lethaniol 15:04, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Editing Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Indigenous peoples of North America (section)

[edit] Style regarding U.S. history subsections

I have an interest in understanding what to name the subsections for geographic area that I am editing history sections. For instance, for some geographic areas there will be three subsections: pre european, european arrival, and recent history. My question is to find some heading that is agreed upon that is a better discription than "pre eureopean." I gave the first section the title of "First Nation," but in reading around I have discovered that "first nation" is a term used for Canadians not current day U.S. lands. So. The place was what it was and was not considered "pre eureopean" by the people who lived there in that time. I don't like a title that says "pre" anything. Many place's history sections have a pre-some-date or pre-some-hisorical-reference-person's-name and this referencing really bothers me. Is there a standard already? Thanks!--al95521 05:44, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

I think the term "Pre-Contact" is most common, but if you don't want to use that, First Nation and American-Indian are too general to be very helpful. You might try figuring out exactly which people lived there, and use their name for the section. I'm not totally clear on your question though, so maybe a more specific example would help? - TheMightyQuill 07:19, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
--al95521 15:23, 31 January 2007 (UTC)As a newer editor I thought I should stick close to home and that is northern California.

I added this here because I only got one response on the page I posted it to.

[edit] Please do not change the subsection header Sacramento, CA

Please do not change the subsection header Sacramento, CA without discussion on the talkpage. That header has been in place for quite a while. Ronbo76 11:21, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Adoption complete and questions

Thankyou for the wikicookie - I have eaten it with delight :). With the adoption - you can ask me any questions about Wikipedia you like, best to ask on my talk page, and I will usually reply on your talk page here. Here are the answers to your questions:

  • I read that adoptees graduate at some point. Is there a formal process of learning the basics? I have done a bit now so hopefully my questions won't be too prosaic - perhaps I kid myself.
    • No this is not a formal process - though it can be if you want it to be. Generally you ask whatever questions you like e.g. how do I do this, why did that user say that, can you review some work I did. When you and I feel confident that you have grasped all the basics and more then you can graduate, though will always be able to answer questions.
  • Why me - did my edits win you over, or are you just nice to everyone?
    • I offer adoption to a lot of users, and do not generally check people's edits unless there is reason to. I generally browse through Category:Wikipedians seeking to be adopted in Adopt-a-user and pick at random. In your case I was grabed by the quirky comment on your user page how long before graduation?.
  • I have a question about a kind of "meet other wikipedians" in your community idea. Is there a way to search for common interests or editors by geographical area? I'm in a rural area and would like to have a real life, not just digital. Um, I think I just figured it out. I had to open another tab and found the "search in namespace" area.
    • The quickest way to to use this [[Category:Wikipedians]], which will allow you to browse through users by self-declared interests. Also if there is a particular Wikipedia:Wikiproject you are interested in - like minded individuals will gravitate there.
  • I have too many questions. Do I post them to your page or my page?
    • As said above best to post them on my userpage - no matter how many. If later we get into in depth discussions on certain issues than we can create a sub page of your user page to discuss on.
  • How do I know my number of edits. The summary only show edits in groups of 50. A numbered list or a total would be helpful.
    • First of all, when checking contributions you can increase the number seen from 20 to 500, and cycle through older edits all the way back to when you started. For example [1] lists all your edits. Also you click on the % tab to access a number of stats or use the following edit counter which is very good [2].
  • Is there a way to count number of added edit characters, or number of deleted edit characters?
    • When you check your watchlist (Help:Watching pages there will be + number in green (=the amount of bytes added) or - number in red (=the amount of bytes removed). This does not directly respond to number of characters edited, and is cumulative, but if you watch an article then you will get an idea of how much info was added/removed in the last edit.
  • Is there a way to determine your effectiveness as an editor as in the edits that have stuck verses been rewritten?
    • This is irrelevant - some very experienced editors who fight the creation of new inappropriate pages deleted will see a lot of their edits also deleted when the article is. Also just because someone reverts/changes your edits, does not make you a bad editor. Currently there is no way of checking this either.
  • Is there a spell check?
    • No but you can use your browser to help out instead. I am not sure about Internet Explorer, which I hate, as I use Firefox which has the add-ons for dictionaries for all major languages - see [3] - very useful.
  • Is there a way to see the origin of a particular phase in a long article or an article with a long history? Say I want to see when something was written without having to go through the long process of checking every edit. Is there a faster way?
    • I do not think so, if something was written and then deleted in an article, you will have to go through the edits to find that info - will check this because what you ask would be a very useful tool.
  • I edit from an anonymous work station and I'd like to sign my user name. I tried to add Al95521 and then I tried to add Talk:Al95521 but they did not work. What is the correct code?
    • The easiest way is to sign in and use ~~~~, if not you can use [[User:Al95521]] ~~~~~ or [[User talk:Al95521]] ~~~~~. Note 4 x ~ will sign with name and date, 5 x 16:22, 2 February 2007 (UTC) will sign with just date. Also read up at Wikipedia:Cheatsheet for other useful syntax code.

I'll stop here but I have a lot more questions. Thanks again! - Keep on asking, these are good questions. Cheers Lethaniol 16:22, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] External links removed from the Humboldt County, California article

1) HumGuide - Find anything in Humboldt County: For this website, I may have been a little hasty with my deletion.

My general guide for evaluating 'community guide' websites such as 'humguide' is whether they do at least as good as doing a search in Yahoo! Local or Google Local. Unfortunately, almost every community guide website that I've looked at has been about highlighting their paying weblinks, and so they fail miserably when compared to the big search engines. The other comparison that I often make is whether the websites do as good or better than the local chamber of commerce website. As crappy as many CoC websites are, most community guide websites also fail that comparison.

For the part of the humguide website that is their directory of businesses, which is what I first looked at, I rated the website as pretty unsatisfactory (come on, there has to be more than three accountants in all of Humboldt County!). On the other hand, I went back and looked at the media section. That appeared to be fairly complete, with brief, but informative annotation. That last part is the sort of 'value-added' information that sets it apart from what you'll get from Yahoo! Local.

For now, it looks like the humguide is worthwhile. On the other hand, if the Humbolpedia wiki continues to developer, it should become a much better guide to Humboldt County that the humguide is.

2) Humboldt County Travel Guide: This website had 'spammed' several Wikipedia articles on cities in Humboldt County. For any external link, there has to be information of value to the Wikipedia reader who wants to learn more about the topic of the article. I rated the website as close to worthless. For example, compare their article on Petrolia to the Wikipedia's article.

3) Humboldt County in Pictures: This is another website that had 'spammed' a several articles on San Francisco and Northern California. My evaluation of the website was that it had a few nice pictures, and a bunch of so-so photos, with absolutely no explanation about any of the photos other than the photo title. That makes the photos almost useless unless you already know the area.

I'm going to add the humguide website back into the Humboldt County, California article (but with a better description of the website—you certainly can't find everything in Humboldt County on the website). I stand my my evaluation of the other two website, and believe that they both fail the Wikipedia's External links policy. BlankVerse 08:22, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

"How is an external site evaluated?"
The first step is to looks at the Wikipedia Policies and guidelines that might apply. For external links, that would include the pages on External links and Spam, as well as What the Wikipedia is not (specifically, the Wikipedia is NOT a linkfarm).
You should also keep in mind that the Wikipedia is a general encyclopedia with a worldwide readership. Finally, you should Use common sense.
For an example of using common sense: External links should be to websites or webpages that would help the general Wikipedia reader learn more about the topic of the Wikipedia article. That means that links that would only be of interest to the residents of a local community should not be added as an external link for that community. Links for local social service agencies are commonly added to articles on communities, but those are inappropriate, because they are only of interest to the local residents.
People keep adding links for churches to articles on communities, but in almost all cases those are inappropriate. For notable churches (such as the Crystal Cathedral), they would have their own article, and the link for that church would be in that article. The only time that I can see a link to a church as being appropriate would be when that church was an important part of that community. In that case, the church should be mentioned in the article, and the link would go to a webpage on the church's website that covers the history of the church. In that case, the link is used as a reference, and not as an external link. One example of this might be discussing the role of the Latter-day Saints in the development of San Bernardino, California. For another example: The Hacienda Heights, California article currently doesn't include a discussion of the strong local opposition to the construction of the very large Hsi Lai Temple in the middle of a primarily residential community. If that information gets added, a link to the Temple's website giving their position would be an appropriate reference.
To get a better feel for how external links are evaluated, you should take a look at the talk pages for the various policy and guideline pages, such as Wikipedia talk:External links and Wikipedia talk:Spam (and the archive pages for the talk pages).
Another way to get a feel for external links is to look at where the policy seems to have failed, or is being ignored. Look, for example, at the linkfarm that currently exists at Cover version#External links.
I've also given above the reasoning that I used to evaluate the three specific external links that you questioned the deletion of. I hope that this answers your question. BlankVerse 03:10, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Top

When you see (top) in a user contribution e.g. see mine [4] it means that, that edit was the last one to that article, hence there have been no more edits/reverts/changes since this user's edit to this page. Cheers Lethaniol 12:57, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Note: don't forget to sign using ~~~~ as it took me a while to realise that it was you that had left this message :):) Cheers Lethaniol 13:15, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Image copyright problem with Image:Bike Library.jpg

Thank you for uploading Image:Bike Library.jpg. However, it currently is missing information on its copyright status. Wikipedia takes copyright very seriously. It may be deleted soon, unless we can determine the license and the source of the image. If you know this information, then you can add a copyright tag to the image description page.

If you created this image yourself, please look at Wikipedia:Image copyright tags#For image creators, select one of those tags, and add it to the image. To do that, simply go to Image:Bike Library.jpg, click "edit this page", and add the appropriate tag. Be sure to remove the current tag indicating a lack of licensing!

If you have any questions, please feel free to ask me at User talk:Angr or at the media copyright questions page. Thanks again for your cooperation. —Angr 13:42, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] ClustrMaps

Hi there,

Have looked into this issue (have even signed up for the ClustrMap service) - but I think this service will not work on Wikipedia pages.

A quick google search shows only one entry in Wikipedia [5] and this is a link a ClustrMap for an external site.

I believe the way Wikipedia works is that it only uses html code as applicable to writing articles. So in this case when you cut and paste in the code from Clustrmaps - as you are not editing the core html source code and so it will not work. So I do not think you will be able to get this to work for your user page.

If you want to take this further I suggest asking questions at: Wikipedia:Help desk.

Sorry I could not help more. Cheers Lethaniol 12:37, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Patsy Sherman

You're welcome! Thanks for the cookie. --Edcolins 08:51, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Minor Theater, Arcata

The statement that the Minor theater is the oldest continuously operated theater is not true. My grandfather operated the Alto Freight and Express shipping company out of an unused Minor Theater for a period of time in the 1940s. The claim that it has been continuously operated cannot be substantiated because it is not true. It was a marketing ploy by the Minor Theater company. Odd that they made the claim some years back...had my family laughing. IF you want to claim something that is propaganda then feel free. But please site one of the so-called sources you refer to. Thanks Norcalal 12:10, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

"Aside from a few temporary closures, the Minor continued to operate continuously until 1960. It reopened in 1972 after major renovation by the Minor Theater Corp." ...This from an interview and article with the actual company printed in November 2000 in the highly respected Northcoast Journal http://www.northcoastjournal.com/012700/cover0127.html
As anyone can see the theater, having been closed and reopened in 1972, cannot possibly have the claim of the "longest continuously operted theater" that was placed here in the article. Again this is all about accuracy...right? Norcalal 12:34, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
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