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[edit] The New Central Asia project page
Hi
I revised (a bit radically) the navigation system of the Wikipedia:WikiProject Central Asia. You are a member of the project, I would appreciate if you would compare with the old page and give a feedback on the talk page. I am asking this because an old member of the project expressed concerns. Thanks. cs 22:28, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Blocked
You have been blocked for 24 hours for violation of your revert parole at Karki (Azerbaijan). You are required to give a talk page rationale for each content revert, which you failed to do, and for which you have been blocked before. Dmcdevit·t 17:59, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] To Satisfy Your Curiosity
Hrant Dink did not ever ask the Turkish government nor the Turkish people to recognize the so-called genocide. Instead he always said that a tragedy had taken place during the Ottoman times. "I call it a genocide of Armenians, but it is not important what the name is. The fact that people of these lands can draw the same lessons, feeling the same sorrow over the same events is important," he said because he knew both Turks and Armenians suffered in this tragedy. He was a good man, who worked hard to recreate the bonds of friendship between Armenians and Turks, that have been weakened as a result of Armenian diaspora's efforts. As an Armenian American, do you know how he blamed you (the Diaspora) for standing against a peace between Turks and Armenians? Just curious... --Scientia Potentia 19:16, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] WPAM
Ok, I agree with you. So you want me to go and take out all the WPAM from the Van, Kars, Erzerum, Arapgir, Artvin articles? ROOB323 20:36, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
Thanks, same to you. I'll go and take them out. ROOB323 20:43, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] invite
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--Bohater 21:23, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] igdir
Please check [1]. I think I only changed Aras to Aras+ Arpacay, among the things you mentioned on the talk page. The link to the municipality was deleted, I restored that. I added several info like cotton being grown there, and some info from other Wiki articles like Erivan khanate and Armenian oblast, the other ones are minor edits. I can remove Arpacay, I am going to restore the removed ref that I noticed now, ethnic cleansing is OR, there. denizTC 22:18, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
You just reverted me, please revert yourself, you can keep ethnic cleansing. The population stats are from TUIK, formerly known as DIE, Turkish Statistics Institute. denizTC 22:38, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
Please revert yourself, I will add the Kurdish majority information, and ethnic cleansing. In the mean time, let me find the website for pop stats. I downloaded some time ago the Excel file to update the population stats for all the provinces in Turkey. denizTC
the direct link to the file (has extension .do, change it to .xls) : [2]. It's on this website, the last item (İllere göre yıl ortası nüfus projeksiyonları). denizTC 22:49, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
Also, Artaxiad Aivazovsky, this comment of mine was not for you (from an edit summary): "please do not ask for discussion on talk without you discussing first, before your revert. cleanup". Thanks for the consensus at least between the two of us. denizTC 23:02, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
Lol, sorry for that, Aivazovsky. denizTC 23:08, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
I apologize if I added to your frustrations. The thing is don't be bothered by what's happening in Wikipedia. Wikipedia editors (Turkish, Armenian, or any other nationality) does not have to reflect the nationality. I think 'vandals' are overrepresented in Wikipedia, as people usually need some reason to be an editor and vandals have their reason (I am not claiming that any of the people you mentioned were vandals). Also, editors might become more of a hardliner after several discussions. I guess/hope that as time passes, the vandals will decrease, not just by leaving wiki but also by changing for the good (more often than 'normal' people becoming vandals), I have such high hopes, that's why I am not so sad having joined late. denizTC 23:45, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] An idea for you
If you never revert at all, but always take it to Talk, you won't be accused of violating your ArbCom sanction. Guy (Help!) 15:53, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Accepted
I am sure you weren't yourself, it is not the kind of attitude I would expect from a long term Wikipedian like you. Still, it takes character to make the apology you did, I accept it.--Doktor Gonzo 17:46, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Բարի Զատիկ
Happy Easter Aivazovsky, krisdos haryav i merelots. - Fedayee 18:30, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Bedros Kapamajian
Hi! I took a look at the article in question. You are aware that the Y.G.Çark reference is Yervant Gomidas Çarkcıyan, right? I possess a 2006 re-publication of the book which I previously used in other articles to cite from. I can check the citation there very easily, if such a check is considered valid in this particular debate. On the other hand, you specifically did not want Armenian or Turkish sources, so perhaps a book in Turkish published by an Armenian Catholic priest is not considered good enough? I'm a little confused here, so if you can elaborate a little on what the controversy is, I would appreciate it. What is being disputed? Kapamajian's existence or details on the facts? Regards, --13:23, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
- Hi! I checked the book and the info from the book is here. As for assessing the credibility, I have no idea. It is published. I've read it. It is in Turkish so being able to obtain a copy may not be very useful for you, but here is an online bookshop that carries it: Ideefixe Unfortunately I don't think they made any provision for someone not speaking Turkish and purchasing a book in Turkish, so the site is in Turkish as well. Ah, you'll see the book's author listed as Rahip G. Çarkçıyan on the web site, Rahip means Reverend. If you need any further help with this, let me know. Regards, Free smyrnan 18:29, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
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- The Teotik reference, I have no clue, I just tried to provide some info so people could follow its trail. Çarkçıyan at the end of the book has a very short piece, where he makes several references to "the calamity known to us all", "the calamity at Syria". That was 1953, remember. I believe the Diaspora was also referring to it as medz yeghern, the great calamity. Free smyrnan 18:54, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Re:
Yeah its not easy, these people are barbaric when I say this I don't mean Turks I mean the people who question a genocide that has been fully researched. I'm sick and tired of there propaganda efforts especially in NYC they call us murderers and liars. I'm probably going to be blocked for what I allegedly said on there other Wiki pages, like "fuck you turkish bastard" possibly. I really don't know how you guys can put up with people like Adil, Atabek and Grandmaster without releasing your anger I'm not racist at all but when I get pissed I will cuss them out. People like Atabek, is how anti-Armenian propaganda is created and how many pogroms may be started there all fascists there country is crap, they should run back to Iran and stop being Turkeys bitch. Artaxiad 14:52, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
- I don't know man in the world we live in Peace is never going to be achieved idiots like G. Bush or Rice who don't even help in Africa. Too many problems so little time. Yeah ever since the Arb I have been acting dumb, I'm getting banned anyway. Artaxiad 15:03, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
- Turks and Armenians can establish peace but not Azeris no way. They hate us too much. Artaxiad 15:24, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
- Maybe because we occupy half there land? of course but the majority hate us, while Turks are still reasonable. Turks calm down after a while Azerbaijan's whole purpose is to bash Armenians. There whole media is propaganda efforts to erase Armenian history for example Artsakh they claim it was theres or assfaces like mamedova who claim we come from Mars. Artaxiad 15:29, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
- I'll try there purpose of being on Wikipedia is too erase Armenian history, rewrite it there previsions or whatever. They know youths use this site why do you think they revert so quickly and don't discuss. Artaxiad 15:32, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Ignore Atabek
His bringing of the Armenian Genocide denial everywhere is a provocation, you'll react and they'll report you and wait further reaction. This is how they've got me. Don't do the same mistake, don't reply at all. Fad (ix) 17:00, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
- This is actually an incorrect view by you and Artaxiad, which is somewhat also speculated by Aivazovsky [3], accusing me of bringing up this issue on purpose for provoking. I did not ask you folks in March Days to fight the reference to "genocide", when it's legitimately used with respect to Azeris, you did. 12,000 people died in those events, there are dozens of references, and yet you continued to fight and inserting "Armenian Genocide" and further insulting Azeri victims by trying to purge the page. I did not ask Artaxiad to edit my page and call myself with inappropriate names or try to stalk on me earlier. So talking about me "provoking" anything or anyone is inappropriate if not outright false.
- I don't deny Armenian suffering and massacres in Anatolia, hundreds of thousands of people were killed, whether in the course of war or else, it is immaterial. But I do deny their interpretation as "genocide", because the advertising of this definition currently is not for caring about victims but for reaching certain petty political goals. Hardly anyone who hampers Armenia's development by further exacerbating Turkey cares about citizens of Armenia who suffer as a result of this confrontation. And Aivazovsky, before referencing Christ, remember that he did not divide those suffering into nationalities and favor only one of them. Atabek 17:21, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
