Talk:Airedale Terrier

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[edit] Photos

Need better photos. There is one in this foreign-language wiki but I can't read the language & so don't know if it's a valid license. Elf | Talk 20:20, 11 Aug 2004 (UTC)

  • What do you want photos of?
    • This is an old request (Aug 2004); no longer applies. Photos are good. Thanks. Elf | Talk 19:43, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Move requested: Capitalization of dog breed names

From Wikipedia:Requested moves:

  • Talk:Airedale Terrier - Airedale Terrier → Airedale terrier, and likewise for the 42 other articles in Category:Terriers. I don't think terrier is a proper noun in English, so it should properly be lowercased to follow Wikipedia convention. --Quuxplusone 7 July 2005 22:42 (UTC)
    Nope, breed names are proper nouns & std per dog breeds project among others...see Talk:Airedale Terrier for details. Elf | Talk 8 July 2005 06:02 (UTC)

Result: Voting closed (1 for, 3 oppose); no move to be done. Elf | Talk 01:01, 13 July 2005 (UTC)

Votes and discussions:

Can someone please explain why this article, and every single other article on terrier breeds, have capitalized "terrier"? As far as I know, terrier is not a proper noun in English, and in fact it's not capitalized in most of the articles' texts. I would like to see all the "Foo Terrier" articles moved to "Foo terrier," in keeping with Wikipedia conventions for article titles. --Quuxplusone 7 July 2005 22:39 (UTC)

  • Oppose. Like Washington Monument, Foo Terrier is a proper noun, even though monument and terrier are not. Google on over to dog breeds terrier and you will see that terrier is consistently capitalized when naming a specific breed. Dragons flight July 7, 2005 23:43 (UTC)
  • Oppose. See Wikipedia:WikiProject Dog breeds various discussions & archives and List of dog breeds--decided quite a long time ago that names of breeds are proper nouns (most books, breed stds, kennel clubs, etc. also treat them that way) and that's the way it's done all thru wikipedia articles for breed names. If the breed name isn't capitalized in an article, it's an oversight. Of course "terrier" by itself, as "hound", "dog", "spaniel", etc. by itself, is not capitalized, as it's not part of a proper breed name. Elf | Talk 8 July 2005 05:56 (UTC)
    Oh, yeah, so if you want to propose a different strategy for capitalization of dog breeds, the place to bring it up is at the dog breeds project, not here. And IF people were to agree to change for all dog breeds (which I think is unlikely), be prepared to make many thousands of edits throughout Wikipedia. :-) Elf | Talk 8 July 2005 06:15 (UTC)
  • Oppose I couldn't find any relevant general discussion, but all-caps seems to be the standard at the Wikiproject and in titles of articles in Category:Dog breeds. Note that although the dog breeders' associations support this convention, in general writing I doubt that most authors would write this way (see my reference to the style guides below). It may make sense to propose changing the convention (updating a thousand articles is no obstacle, we have unlimited time and volunteers), but for now let's remain consistent. —Michael Z. 2005-07-12 19:52 Z

[edit] Discussion

Is it correct to capitalize the breed ("the Poodle is an intelligent animal") but not an individual of the breed ("the poodle chased the wolf")? —Michael Z. 2005-07-8 06:14 Z

No, because "Poodle" is a breed name. Unlike "terrier", which is a type of dog, there is no "poodle" type--it's only a breed name. Hence, "the Poodle chased the wolf." Elf | Talk 8 July 2005 06:18 (UTC)
Hm; that still looks odd to me, and both the Guardian and the Times disagree (but these are their individual policies; see [Y/y]orkshire terrier), although they would write French poodle. —Michael Z. 2005-07-12 19:52 Z
  • Guardian: dogs lc: alsatian, doberman, rottweiler, yorkshire terrier; but Irish setter, old English sheepdog. [1]
  • Times: dogs l/c with most breeds, such as alsatian, borzoi, labrador, rottweiler, though there are obvious exceptions such as West Highland terrier, Yorkshire terrier, Jack Russell etc. [2]

[edit] Courage of Airedales

I'm given to understand from the works of John Hunter, (author and big game hunter in the early part of the last century), and others, that the airedales are the only dogs that will willingly close with a lion, as opposed to just flushing one from cover or holding one at bay. Though this proves to be universely fatal for the courageous dog in question. I've also read of two other fairly believable accounts of this happening. BigDon 21:40, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

That will need citing. "believability" is not an issue, just make sure you have a source that can sand scrutiny. The Phantom N 02:02, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Advertisement.

I am tempted to put the advert tag here. The article is not written in an entirely detached manner and it tends toward anthropomorphism. It actually says that this breed has a sense of humor.--Counsel 23:33, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

I will take a closer look at the article. The breed may not have a sense of humor, but they certainly can act like fools. Michaelbusch 00:34, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
I've done a bit of clean-up. The article still needs work. Michaelbusch 01:38, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
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