Talk:Aircraft losses of the Vietnam War

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Hello What about te losses for the Viets ? How many aircrafts did they loos ? Are there officiaal sources for the Nort Viet loses ?

Contents 1 Numbers don't match other reports 2 These Figures Don't Jive, I agree 3 E2C hawkeye 4 A-5 Vigilante

[edit] Numbers don't match other reports

These figures are significantly higher than those here: Vietnam Air Losses Does anyone know the reason for the discrepancy? The figures listed at the location I gave are for combat losses over North Vietnam. I can't imagine the difference would be made up by accidents, etc. but maybe I'm wrong. Maybe the difference is aircraft which were damaged and never returned to service, but not actually shot down? Nvinen 12:42, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Hmm, this [1] also disagrees, although matches much more closely the numbers presented in this article. Nvinen 12:46, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)

The figures I just included in the Air Force fixed-wing category were originally broken down by combat losses in "North Vietnam", "Other SEA" (Laos, South Vietnam, Thailand, and Cambodia), and "Operational." The combat losses were totalled together in the same table. There was one additional category for aircraft, "Other" which listed 255 lost to all causes, 148 in combat, and may include many of the unattributed figures I enclosed in parentheses. Buckboard 16:01, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] These Figures Don't Jive, I agree

Yeah, I think these figures aren't strictly combat losses. Even if they include maintenance losses, attrition and whatever else they still seem pretty high.

For the Air Force figures, they include both accidental and combat. They also include losses attributed to Southeast Asia but occurring elsewhere, including 6 B-52s (2 in Kadena, Okinawa, 2 at Anderson AFB, Guam, and 2 in mid-air collision over the South China Sea).Buckboard 16:04, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

The two SR-71 losses were confirmed accidents (one flame-out near Korat, Thailand, one rollout accident at kadena AB). The M21 (A-12/SR71 "mother ship" for drone) was deleted--the only one lost was on a test flight and it caused the program to be cancelled. Buckboard 09:57, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] E2C hawkeye

There is 2 E2C losses listed, however until the late 80´s the navy boasted that the Hawkeye was the only aircraft type they operate that never had a loss, either by fire or accident.

The E-2 losses are listed. Neither was an E-2C. Perhaps Navy hype was a bit misleading.--Buckboard 01:37, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] A-5 Vigilante

The A-5 never flew a combat mission as an A-5. All were converted to RA-5s before the Vietnam war. Therefore I deleted the "A-5 Vigilante" entry and will continue to do so if it recurs.--Buckboard 01:41, 19 August 2006 (UTC)