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[edit] FAC

I snipped the {{fac}} notice from the main article. Please see Wikipedia:Avoid self-references for the rationale.

chocolateboy 13:25, 7 Jul 2004 (UTC)

It says using templates is ok. Correct me if I am wrong --ganesh 15:41, 7 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Hi, ganesh.

There's no guarantee that a fork will (or, for that matter, should) automatically work around all template issues, which is why recent changes have endeavoured to make templates as generic as possible (e.g. "Spoilers follow" rather than "Wikipedia contains spoilers").

I removed the notice as it contravenes:

  • the recommendation given on the Featured article candidates page: ... you may want to place a notice on its talk page to alert readers by adding the message {{fac}}.
  • the de facto Wikipedia standard observed by every other featured article candidate [1]

I agree that there's some wiggle-room for clarification of the current policy or even its full-blown deposal, but I would suggest that the Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates page would be a better forum in which to lobby for those changes. That way, more people could contribute, which, in turn, would give more weight to any emerging consensus.

See also Wikipedia_talk:Featured articles#distinguishing these articles further, Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates/archive1#Boilerplate and Wikipedia talk:Featured article candidates/archive1#Brilliant prose for more background.

chocolateboy 16:50, 7 Jul 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Featured Article candidacy comments (was not promoted)

[edit] (Contested -- July 3) Air India

Self-nomination. I have tried my best to bring to surface this wonderful airline which is often overlooked by many. The article existed before my revision. I have tried my best in organising the article to appropriate standards. The factual figures represented in the article have backing which can be easily verified either on the internet or on the printed literature. Drbalaji md

  • Support: I think this article deserves to be featured. I appreciate the prompt modifications of the content by the author Drbalaji_md, based on the suggestions made. I do not find any other airline's page that is as readable and well presented as this one. I must also appreciate the author for high-lighting the role of women pilots, so scarcely represented in the world media. The airline's unique cuisine deserves recognition too.--ganesh 02:30, 7 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • Object:
    • The Tragedies-section is literally copied from a website, which is even mentioned in the article with copyright. This is very obvious copyright violation. I'm consid
      • Thanks. I will take necessary action
    • One of the three logo/mascot images has no source, and the others come from the company's website, where there are no indications these pictures may be used. Perhaps they fall under fair use, but then the images should note this.
      • I thought this is quite obvious.
        • Even if it is obvious, it should be noted. Jeronimo 07:43, 7 Jul 2004 (UTC)
    • The article looks a bit messy. F.e., both Bombay and Mumbai are used in the article; this is the same city.
      • messy? I do not think so. Bombay and Mumbai are two names for the same city and they are widely in use throughout India. Anyway, the official name for Bombay now is Mumbai. I will change it.
    • Is this nomation so important that it has to be mentioned in the lead section?
      • Yes it is. I hate to say but this POV of yours is scornable! An honest effort to contribute to a world encyclopedia should never be under estimated. By this same measure, I can call every one of your contribution as 'unimportant'!
        • I was unclear here: I was referring to the OAS nomination, which is in the first sentence. This indicates this nomination is - for some reason - very important, but I don't see the importance. There wasn't even a prize. This should be moved to the "Awards and recognition" section, or it should be made more clear why this fact is mentioned in the very first sentence. Jeronimo 07:43, 7 Jul 2004 (UTC)
    • Much of this article reads like a company advertisement to invest. It's nice to read passenger figures and revenues for last year, but an encyclopedia article should either not include those, or give a historical overview of such figures.
      • Again. Your POVs are pointless. Encyclopedia represents facts. And that is what is represented there. Which fact should be included and which should not - kindly enlighten me, the intelligent one. --Drbalaji md 21:53, 6 Jul 2004 (UTC)
        • If you're not willing to listen to reasonable objections, please say so, otherwise please stop patronizing me. Encyclopedia's represent facts yes. But they should be in context, and complete. So we should not only give last year's figures, but also from other years. Maybe just a few years, but a graph would be fantastic (but not required). This will give a picture of how the company has developed over the years. Also some numbers that place this into context would be nice. How does this airline do in comparison with other major airlines? And compared to other Indian airliners. Jeronimo 07:43, 7 Jul 2004 (UTC)
    • Jeronimo 08:02, 4 Jul 2004 (UTC)
    • Object. Not very well written or laid out. Seems incomplete (the tragedies section at least is missing information -- the so-called Air India Trial is ongoing). Exploding Boy 07:20, Jul 6, 2004 (UTC)
      • A vague and useless commentary. --Drbalaji md 21:53, 6 Jul 2004 (UTC)
    • Object : A number of facts in the article are INCORRECT and appear to be lifted directly from Air India's own website (which is also inaccurate on some issues and outdated on others such as the current fleet). Citing questionable subjective sources such as Skytrax immediately erodes the article's credibility. The article also has very poor structure and composition and is weak on actual data. It would be far more appropriate to cover actual services and history of the airline rather than inconsequential propoganda about Inflight Duty Free Sales and obscure awards from 1994. While you have undoubtedly put a lot of effort into this piece, the end result is very poor and needs a lot of work before it should be considered for a featured article.
      • It would be nice if the writer of the above prose who has taken so much effort to produce a poor end result :), kindly shows up his signature. INCORRECT in bold does not make correct things incorrect - neither it is considered etiquette. Obscure awards? Is the Guinness book obscure? I suggest you research as much as I did and substantiate your INCORRECT statement's credibility :) Skytrax is a renowned internet review magazine. Kindly review their site (link is in Air India article). We are not organising a flight schedule service for the airline - I thought keeping dumb links for all the places the airline goes is equally dumb :) There is a substantial amount of information regarding the history of the airline. But, history alone is not encyclopedia. By the way, all the above reviews helped me to edit Air India so that it represents facts. I do not need to invite anyone to change the content Air India - it is an open article in a open domain. You are free to do whatever you want. I like the quote "It is better to light a candle than to curse the darkness!" --Drbalaji md 22:50, 6 Jul 2004 (UTC)
        • I do not think there is a better source of information for Air India than its own official website. Are all articles written only by the people who possess the original sources? Are the featured articles not written by assembling facts taken from the websites? --ganesh 02:30, 7 Jul 2004 (UTC)
    • It should of course be one of the sources, but you should keep in mind that it is a company's website. Issues that are "bad" for the company may not be discussed NPOV, such as for example the accidents an airliner has had. Jeronimo 07:48, 7 Jul 2004 (UTC)


[edit] Merger with Jat?

This may seem farfetched and not true, but reports coming from a few websites like airliners.net and others say that on Serbian News Channel BETA, the media stated that Air India wanted to merge with Jat Airways. I myself am not sure if I believe this, and so far it is only rumors and no major media site or company has confirmed this in my knowledge. Anyone with info or opinions about this rumor are welcome to reply. Zastavafan76 23:32, 3 January 2007 (UTC) Flag of Yugoslavia

[edit] References?

Could we have them please? Thanks. - Ta bu shi da yu 08:00, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism

Some Pakistani guy completely vandalized Air India's main template on the top right hand corner. I will rechange it back to what it originally was, but this is very disappointing. The person who did this has not even registered for a Username, but his IP is 69.175.205.67, looking at his other contributions, I have deduced that he was Pakistani. he has absolutely no right to show his pakistani nationalism here by degrading this high quality page...

Bmaganti 04:46, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Missing Incident

This hijacking incident [2] seems to be missing here (as well as in Aircraft hijacking). AI Flight 224, from Harare to Bombay, was hijacked when it stopped for refuelling at Mahe and was taken to Durban. I am building the list of references to go with it, but if anyone has those already, please update the article.

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