Talk:AIDS defining clinical condition

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This article is about "AIDS defining clinical condition". Information about WHO disease staging system is not relevant to this article. Fred2005 11:17, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

Depends if you are being ethnocentric or not

[edit] relevance

AIDS defining clinical condition is a specific term used by CDC as part of their AIDS definition. The purpose of this article is to provide a convenient list of these conditions and note the expansion of the list in 1993. Sci guy 15:53, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

The purpose of this article is to provide information about AIDS defining clinical condition -- your idea that it has to be more terse is purely your opinion. He took out everything on the WHO stage system. His version is more accurate and complete. JoeSmack (talk) 17:13, August 12, 2005 (UTC)

You wanted the ethnocentric version of AIDS defining conditions, even though this is almost confined to the USA. The version I put in is the correct version from the CDC. If you don't like it, take it up with them. Here is not the place for pseudo-science of Sci Guy. --Grcampbell 19:05, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

You seen to miss the point. This is NOT an article about how AIDS is diagnosed in the USA or other countries. It is just a convenient place to current CDC list of AIDS defining conditions. Sci guy 01:24, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] What does this mean?

However, when an individual presents laboratory evidence against HIV infection, a diagnosis of AIDS is ruled out unless the patient has not:

undergone high-dose corticoid therapy or other immunosuppressive/cytotoxic therapy in the three months before the onset of the indicator disease OR been diagnosed with Hodgkin's disease, non-Hodgkin's lymphoma, lymphocytic leukemia, multiple myeloma, or any cancer of lymphoreticular or histiocytic tissue, or angioimmunoblastic lymphoadenopathy OR a genetic immunodeficiency syndrome atypical of HIV infection, such as one involving hypogamma globulinemia

AND

the individual has had Pneumocystis carinii pneumonia OR one of the above defining illnesses AND a CD4+ T-cell count below 200 cells/µl (or a CD4+ T-cell percentage of total lymphocytes of less than 14%).

This seems to to be attempting to describe the process of diagnosing AIDS rather than defining the list. But all those double negatives? Sci guy 01:55, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

We do not need to discuss how AIDS is diagnosed in every article! Please keep this article simple and relevant Sci guy 15:50, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

It is entirely relevant, as someone with Hodgkin's disease may present with one of the conditions listed, yet not be diagnosed with having AIDS. You don't seem to understand the complexities of this issue. --Grcampbell 16:06, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

I am concerned about your use of double negatives as in "a diagnosis of AIDS is ruled out unless the patient has not been diagnosed with Hodgkin's disease" Sci guy 14:37, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

Also are you saying that people with Hodgkin's disease test positive for HIV antibodies on both Elisa and Western blot when they are not infected with HIV? Sci guy 14:41, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

Did I say that? Try reading the article: "when an individual presents laboratory evidence against HIV infection". Some peope have been transiently infected, and/or have no antiobodies against HIV due to a number of factors and/or plasma viremia and cytoviremia is undetectable. This is the CDC definition of AIDS defining clinical conditions, if you disagree with them, talk to the folk in Atlanta. --Grcampbell 15:56, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] How Many Conditions?

The CDC says that there were 23 conditions named in the 1987 report, and 3 were added in the revised definition. However, their official list only includes 25, not 26, though they always refer to the "26 AIDS-defining conditions". I cannot find an answer to this ANYWHERE. Any ideas?