Template talk:African American topics

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Usage note; this template has an (optional) argument: [[Template:AfricanAmerican|left]] is the default version of the template; [[Template:AfricanAmerican|right]] will be on the right side of the page. Septentrionalis 16:50, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

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[edit] Welcome!

Well, I guess I've done about as much "branding" as I'm gonna do. It's time to feed it to the wolves. In case you don't know what I mean, I'm going to post it to the "African American" page, and it will no longer be an inconspicuous piece for myself to edit alone.

Next time I see this, it will be quite a different beast. Take care my child, become beautiful!

"Not that it need be long, but it will take a long while to make it short.

— Henry David Thoreau

— <TALKJNDRLINETALK> 3 August 2005


::sniff::     It's been a while since I've visited this page. It seems to have really taken off and, though it doesn't look nearly the same as when I created it, I'm very happy to see that many of my links and categories are still there. I take it as a compliment to my organizational skills.

What's more, the logo has stayed the same. I'm really proud of that, since it was completely made up.

Take care.

Be well, do good work, and keep in touch.®

— Garrison Keillor The Writer's Almanac

— <TALKJNDRLINETALK> 18 September 2006


[edit] Template for alternating rows

Use the following lines for new alternating rows, just copy them right off of this page, and paste into your editor, and fill in the Wikipedia links:

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— <TALKJNDRLINETALK> 6 July 2005 22:08 (UTC)


Note . . . this has been replaced, for the most part, by templates: {{altline light purple}} and {{altline white}}

— <TALKJNDRLINETALK> 00:00, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Keep it Narrow

Keep the scope of this template in mind when posting on pages, or adding links. Although I don't think I've done it very well myself, please limit the content to only American topics.

— <TALKJNDRLINETALK> 00:02, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Huge

Wow, this is huge! I think some of the naps need trimming back. – Quadell (talk) (sleuth) 00:36, August 3, 2005 (UTC)

I agree, it's just too big.--JW1805 20:01, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
and it _takes over_ a page. I think that it's important to use this carefully on core pages... Rick Boatright 05:01, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
I agree. This shouldn't be posted on stubs or most smaller articles due to the size. Michael 06:42, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
Should it apply to all people, or-how should it be distributed? Michael 08:59, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] "Ebonics" --> AAVE

What do you think of changing that? "AAVE" is less potentially offensive than "Ebonics"; I know I flinched when I saw it. --FuriousFreddy 19:53, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

Originally, AAVE was spelled out, and must have been changed to Ebonics ... I think you may've been right to change a controversal term to an acronym for the title of the article that the link points to. Thanks.

—  <TALKJNDRLINETALK>     16:25, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Beware of Vandalism

The "edit this" link on the bottom may be a good idea for now, until the Template becomes a bit more concrete, but I have just found that it was removed from the Template:Jew page for frequent and repeated acts of vandalism. They even got a sysop to lock down the template for a while. *sigh* This page may end up being just as prone.

—  <TALKJNDRLINETALK>     23:08, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Icon Options

Personally, I found that the African Nationalist Flag, and American Flag side-by-side was kinda hokey. I did up a quicky overlay, which was then reverted. So, I have some ideas for a nicer one . . . but still wanted to create a stub for open forum discussion.

My "releases" to date:

Image:86px-Flag of the African-American.png Image:AfricaAmerica.gif Image:AmericaAfrica.png

—  <TALKJNDRLINETALK>    

Number three works best, I would say. --FuriousFreddy 17:24, 19 August 2005 (UTC)
Yes, I would say it's the least controversial. Michael

The third image -- of course. deeceevoice 13:21, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] NEWS 25-Aug-05

[see Talk:African_American_literature ]

African American Literature will be on the Main Page on 25-Aug-05!

This template is sure to get quite a bit of vicarious exposure that day . . . be active!

—  <TALKJNDRLINETALK>    

Huh? Not so far.

—  <TALKJNDRLINETALK>     23:24, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Formatting

I just reverted some extensive reformatting, and wanted to create a stub for open discussion on the talk page, to discuss formatting changes. --Jndrline 16:58, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

  • Something people might not notice is the {{{1}}} that I added sometime last week. This is an alternative to the current Template:AfricanAmericanR and Template:AfricanAmericanL, which I was planning to have removed. Having multiple embedded templates makes it more difficult for Wikipedians to find the orginial, and probably strains the server (don't know). The plan was to go back and edit the references to use the template parameter, rather than embedded templates. So, {{AfricanAmericanR}} would now be typed {{AfricanAmerican|right}}. Currently, both are compatible, and using either would work. --Jndrline 16:58, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
  • Embedded templates for alternating lines (such as {{altline light purple}}) are used in other templates, clean up code so that it's more readable, and seem to help the template load faster. --Jndrline 16:58, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
  • The "xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx" that you see are on rows that start with an exclamation point (!), and deliniate a header, so that they are quick to find. I'm unsure if this interferes with anything, but it hasn't appeared to on any computer I've used. If so, it could be commented out, and still provide an easy visual aid. --Jndrline 16:58, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
  • I just reverted the formatting change to the Sept. 3 version by Ed g2s b/c somewhere along the way, the formatting of the template messed up. As a result, it was left justified and made massive amount of white space on every page that uses the template. I believe that we need to keep the template right justified (as is the standard with these types of templates).--Alabamaboy 20:23, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
Jndrline--Whatever you did also fixed the problem. What is the R version of the template for?--Alabamaboy 20:36, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
Back when I didn't know about parameters in templates, I set up two templates Template:AfricanAmericanR and Template:AfricanAmericanL - which aligned the whole thing right or left. I got the idea from Template:TOCright. But, now that I know about parameters, there is a much simpler way to do this, that is certaintly less server-intensive, though I don't know it for sure. I replace align=right with align={{{1}}} - so that the first parameter fed to the template will align it that way without any other templates.
{{AfricanAmerican|right}} right of the page
{{AfricanAmerican|center}} center of the page
{{AfricanAmerican|left}} left of the page


— <TALKJNDRLINETALK>    

[edit] Gullah & Gullah language

I've changed Gullah (under languages) to point to Gullah Language. I expect this will be uncontroversial, but I thought I'd point it out incase the original Gullah link should be included somewhere too. --Cherry blossom tree 16:23, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Latino template

Please help with the Latino template. --JuanMuslim 1m 03:39, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] List of African American subcultures

This item is basically meaningless. It should either be removed from the template and made a redirect, or else radically rewritten. Please see Talk:List of African American subcultures.--Pharos 20:27, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

  • OK, I've removed it from the template.--Pharos 05:57, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

I regret that I never saw the original list before it was removed from the template, Pharos, but based on my researches and understanding of African-American history, I believe there are at least four major black subcultures that grew specifically from the descendents of African slaves brought to the United States, three of which intermixed racially and culturally with American Indians and whites, one of which simply stayed separate from the black mainstream on the mainland. These four groups start with 1) the Gullah peoples on the Sea Islands of the coasts of southern North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia and northern Florida. 2) The Florida Seminole Indians. 3) The Creoles of Lousiana. 4) Lastly, the Melungeon -- a racial admixture of Indians, blacks and whites so widely scattered throughout the East and South United States. If this lising pleases you I would be happy to do more research add my contributions to others. Askia. 09:53, 08 July 2006.

Well, we have articles you would probably be interested in on the Gullah, the Black Seminoles (a featured article), the Louisiana Creole people and the Melungeon. I'm still not sure what the great value of a list of these groups would be.--Pharos 12:32, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] A waste of time and effort

This template is a useless and worthless thing. Superslum 10:19, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

I'm sure it is userful somewhere. Michael 03:07, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
My wife is a black Jew. We have a son. While I know plenty about Judaism, I wasn't sure what extent of knowledge I have about about everything African American, and how much of that I will be able to reinforce for him as he grows up. Going to a liberal public school in California could only teach me so much. Living in DC taught me a lot more. Certaintly, nothing will never teach me what it is to be a black man in America.
When I created this template, I was hoping to make sure I caught and read every African American Wikipedia article out there. I would not say that this is a waste of time by any means. There are articles I never would have known about, had they not been added to this list. I want to thank everyone for helping me learn, and continuing to help me. I can only hope that this will draw people to read more than one article about African American culture, literature, music, history, and life.
That is is what this template is supposed to do. It is supposed to draw the casual reader to similar articles, based on what they are reading.


— <TALKJNDRLINETALK>    
You're welcome Ccson 18:58, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Who is messing with the image now?

How can a writer, a living writers image be representive or NPOV be used to sum the AA experience. If you had to put someone add Malcolm X, King, Dubois, someone of epic impact on defining AA experience. But the best thing is to put no human to avoid the issue of "who", the solution is to put the colors of Africa on the map of America. I dont think that is black nationalist. And i wish admins wouldnt for no reason revert edits because esp blindly, some ip comes in and messes with a template which is more than 8 months old.--HalaTruth(ሐላቃህ) 09:20, 13 February 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Limit the template to popular things

The template cannot fit everything, Ausset Sect etc is not popular by any def, so it cannot go on, small groups, etc. there needs to be a criterion for entry or else this list would be endless.--HalaTruth(ሐላቃህ) 10:11, 18 February 2007 (UTC)


[edit] REQUEST SEMI PROTECTION

R Semi protect. that will fix the problem.--HalaTruth(ሐላቃህ) 18:28, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

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