Talk:AFL siren controversy, 2006

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Contents 1 Title 2 Title again 3 Relevant rules 4 Nice work 5 Public Reaction 6 Sirengate Hotel

[edit] Title

Perhaps the word "Sirengate" does not really inform the reader what the situation is and is not in any way an "official" title. Perhaps renaming it to York Park siren controversy 2006? Or even AFL siren controversy 2006? All suggestions welcome. Rogerthat ^Talk 03:31, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Both are better than "sirengate", which I chose because I couldn't think of a better title. I can confirm that the WA newspapers have indeed dubbed it "sirengate", so the reference to it should stand. But the title should change. I like York Park siren controversy of 2006 or AFL siren controversy of 2006. Snottygobble 03:34, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Either of Rogerthat's suggested titles are fine - let's choose one and make the others redirects. Sirengate indeed! :-)

On a related note - did play really continue for nearly one minute? I'm getting the impression that there was a ball up, a scramble and then a rushed shot at goal that scored a point, representing approx. 6 seconds of actual play, and then a free kick was awarded for a late tackle, resulting in another shot at goal, it was at this point that the timekeeper blew again and the umpie signalled the end of the game. I guess, there was a lot of gesticulating from the Freo players before that final ball up, so one minute of time may have elapsed between the two sirens - but it might be misleading to say there was a minute of play - probably very difficult to be precise without going into a whole lot of detail. ρ¡ρρµ δ→θ∑ - (waarom? jus'b'coz!) 03:42, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

From memory (of the subsequent coverage not the game), Baker's first shot at goal was about twenty seconds after the first siren, and the sounding of the second siren was about one minute after the first siren. You're right, this needs rephrasing. Snottygobble 03:47, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps we can time it from this video (not sure if we are allowed to post copyrighted links, if so I will promptly remove it): [mms://wmt.streaming.telstra.com/wh_afl0/afl/premiership/2006/05/8-560.wmv here]. From what I remember it was around 25 seconds or so, with the whole cancellation of the behind and Baker's free kick (not actual play) pushing the time to one minute or so after the siren. Rogerthat ^Talk 03:49, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

• Time clock runs out at 2:05:20.
• Point scored at 2:05:40.
• Goal umpire given all clear at 2:06:10.
• Connolly on the field from about 2:06:25 until 2:08:00.
• Second shot at goal at 2:08:15.

Uncertain: when second shot at goal was offered to Baker; and when siren rings for the second time. Snottygobble 03:59, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

The second shot at goal was nearly 3 minutes after the first siren, bloody hell, I didn't know that! ρ¡ρρµ δ→θ∑ - (waarom? jus'b'coz!) 04:06, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, very surprising. I watched the game as it unfolded and it was utter confusion as to what was going on. You can't tell at what point in time the first behind is cancelled either. Rogerthat ^Talk 04:10, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

The second shot is acknowledged as a free kick shot after the siren, so this does not imply that play went on for three minutes. Play went on for twenty seconds until Baker's first shot. Thereafter it was time off while the umpires dealt with various issues like whether the siren had been heard, sending Connolly off the ground, and offering Baker another kick. The second siren then went, there having only been twenty seconds of extra play. Baken then took his free kick after the (second) siren.(forgot to sign before) Snottygobble 05:19, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Title again

Let's not dilly-dally on the title. We've got three footy fans here - let's make a decision.

AFL siren controversy 2006

• support (second preference). Snottygobble 04:12, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
• support first pref The-Pope 04:46, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
• Support Xtra 04:53, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
• Support Rogerthat ^Talk 09:29, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Sirengate

• oppose. Snottygobble 04:12, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
• keep, but redirect to other The-Pope 04:46, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

York Park siren controversy 2006

• support (first preference). Snottygobble 04:12, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
• don't think it needs to be this precise... surely we won't have another AFL siren controversy this year! The-Pope 04:46, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

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pippu and roger have stated their support for AFL siren controversy 2006 above, so that gives this option sufficient support. I'm going to make the move. It can always be moved again if lots of people come out of the woodwork for vote for some other title. Snottygobble 05:14, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Relevant rules

Seems a little long-winded, should we move the rules to a new article and then simply link to the relevant clauses? Rogerthat ^Talk 09:44, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

No, I don't think so. Nothing worse than having to flip between two or more articles when you're trying to get info on something. Keep it all together. Reyk _YO! 05:51, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Nice work

Good coverage, nice well-rounded article. :) --pfctdayelise (translate?) 11:57, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

I agree with Reyk and Pfctdayelise. There is just one point in the article where maybe the flow is lost a little, that is, just before the sub-heading Final minute controversy. The paragraph before mentions the Sainters getting 7 of the next nine goals to get within a point, and then this fact is mentioned again in the next paragraph. I understand the latter is going into more detail and describing the events in the last minute of play, but it does raise doubts about whether the paragraph before fits in. (small observation only and I didn't want to play around with it) Otherwise, I too think it's pretty good. ρ¡ρρµ δ→θ∑ - (waarom? jus'b'coz!) 12:16, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Public Reaction

I'm wondering whether public reaction could/should be added to the article to detail how important the result was to the Fremantle fans in WA. Before the AFL made their decision to overturn the result, some Freo fans had graffiti'd the actual result on Fremantle Oval's scoreboard to say "Fremantle 14.10.94 St. Kilda 13.15.93" in white paint. The club left it up there as the Dockers trained on the ground for the day, and was mentioned in the news. Also, the suspected reaction if the result had've happened at Subiaco instead of Launceston would've been nothing short of a stadium riot. I can type up a proper paragraph for this unless anyone has any objections. Orichalcon 01:38, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Would have been interesting to see if there was a riot, I seem to remember that game where the black-out occured and it got a little crazy.--Dacium 00:18, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Sirengate Hotel

I have a good idea for a parody of the incident: A hotel near Aurora Stadium called the Sirengate hotel. A list of features: Scott Gall 10:42, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

• An hourly siren not loud enough for everyone to hear (symbolic of the siren that wasn't acted upon.)
• Two wings, one named Fremantle with 94 rooms, and one named St. Kilda with 93 rooms (symbolic of the score.) The St. Kilda wing will have a ghost room (symbolic of the behind they eventually missed out on.)
• Four strobe lights in the hallway (symbolic of the four players that were reported in the first quarter.)
• Three 50-meter high poles behind the main building (symbolic of the point in the third quarter, where Fraser Gehrig conceded three 50-meter penalties.)