Template talk:Adventism

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[edit] Removed material

I have removed Creation Seventh Day Adventist Church, which appears to be a single congregation only, and United Seventh-Day Brethren, which the article says had four congregations in 1980; from the template.

Even the remaining groups are not very notable when compared to the Seventh-day Adventist Church. Here are the claimed sizes from their Wikipedia articles:

I do think that the order listed in the template is well chosen and needs no modification. However I am also tempted to remove the last entry from the list also. Cheers, Colin MacLaurin 15:41, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

On second thoughts, I have removed it after all. It is a whole order of magnitude smaller (that is, ten times smaller) than the Church of God General Conference, which is perhaps the next most notable church group. There were 427 people, but that was 17 years ago, and the article does not state how many there are now. This is a small number, the equivalent of just one large congregation in a more mainstream denomination. Colin MacLaurin 15:46, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Critical link

I added a critical link due to a discussion at the village pump that concluded it was best and NPOV to include critical links in infoboxes. Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)#Criticism link on religion navigational boxes. Feel free to move it around or change it, but read the discussion before removing it.-Andrew c 03:12, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Personally, I disagree with the critical link. Here are my reasons:

  • The article which is linked to is currently of very poor quality
  • The article is only a critique of the SDA Church specifically, not the Advent movement in general (to which the template applies).
  • I think that the infobox should be a portal to the main informative articles, and I don't think criticism fits there. There is very little of informative value in the criticism article as it stands. Also, on last check, there was roughly as much apologetic there are criticism!
  • It's easy enough for an interested person to find the critical page, following the link from the main SDA article.

It's fine if others disagree, but this is my opinion. And in case you are concerned about my POV, please note that I've worked hard to maintain the Criticism section of the SDA article against "pious" SDAs who have tried to damage or soften it! Tonicthebrown 10:28, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

If the problem is with the article, fix the article or AfD it. The village pump discussion suggested this, and also concluded that if criticism articles exist, per NPOV, they should be included. I don't see how a criticism article isn't informative. In fact, you can learn a lot about a topic by listening to critics and the response to criticism. That said, I believe your 2nd point is the strongest. The criticism is to a specific church, while this template is for the whole movement. However, isn't the SDA the largest adventist group? I suggest you read the village pump discussion (if you haven't). You bring up some decent points and I wouldn't be too upset if the link was removed from this template. However, for consistence across the religion navboxes, and to respect the VP discussion, I would support including it and focusing on improving the article itself (or AfD the article and removing the links that way.)-Andrew c 03:08, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Davidian SDA

Which name is more well known, "Davidian Seventh-day Adventist" or "Shepherd's Rod"? I suspect it is the latter but I don't know for sure. Let's put the most well-known name on the template. Colin MacLaurin 17:08, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

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