Talk:Adolf Hitler's medical health

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[edit] External links

My opinion is that some external links and additional references to this page would greatly enhance it's use.

[edit] Amphetamine/Cocaine-addiction

Having studied Hitler both at undergraduate and Sixth Form level, I have never come across the 'fact' that he was addicted to drugs.

It would be very useful if the article could include clear references to where this point is being made, that it is not universally accepted, and point out other sources (as Haffner's biography "Anmerkungen zu Hitler") which do not make this claim.

I nor anyone else here gives a damn that you studied Hitler "at undergraduate and Sixth Form level." The only reference listed so far details the addictions. The entire article begins by noting that the subject is controversial. See also the article on Theodore Morell for your enlightenment. --L. 22:56, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Lighten up L., anon's just asking for a specific reference for these claims. Lisiate 22:59, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
That is indeed what I meant (yes, it is me again), plus a wider variety of sources. If I were to rely on what an individual historian had to say about Hitler, my view on the issue would be very skewed indeed. Furthermore do I believe that the reliability of the one source (Waite) can be disputed, but that is a different matter.
May I suggest that you (L.) treat other users with a little more respect and react to constructive criticism like any decent rational being? I believe that I have sufficient justification to make the claim I have made, if only from studying several well-respected Hitler biographies (Kershaw, Fest, Haffner, Bullock) and the fact that I had close contact with Oliver Hirschbiegel's and Bernd Eichinger's team who were working on "The Downfall"/"Der Untergang", a new German film on the last days in the Führerbunker, and I haven't come across Hitler's amphetamine/cocaine addiction being presented as a fact as it is here. I would suggest that this should be changed.
On a different matter, may I suggest that the whole business about Hitler having only one testicle be removed entirely or at least cut down to a single statement that it is neither true nor relevant, as I believe that the far more important aspects of Hitler's life are put into a wrong perspective this way. If we were to evaluate the truth of every propaganda claim made about the sexual (or otherwise) health of Nazi characters or indeed any one politician, a lot of time would go to waste and the importance of relevance in historical contexts would vanish entirely.
Agreed, lighten up :) AH's meth and cocaine addictions are still controversial, especially as to timing. There's never been much doubt he was addicted to both at the time of his suicide but one could use more documentation about his intake of medications (and motives) during the 1930s. Wyss 11:41, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

May I suggest that you (L.) treat other users with a little more respect and react to constructive criticism like any decent rational being?

This ain't a sewing circle. And to your education, I suggest you look up the slang American word "blowhard." --L. 03:43, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I know! Let's all lighten up, shall we? :) Wyss 04:18, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Please, can this discussion raise to the level it should be, especially considering the importance of the person this article relates to? I don't appreciate being insulted, and I have done nothing to deserve it.
Up to now no-one has actually written a reasonable response to my criticism, which, I believe, deserves to be discussed as we are talking about one of the most important figures of the XXth century and as loads of people do rely on wikipedia as a source of information. (ex-anon from above) --Geetee 15:37, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Anyway I gave a serious answer above, it's the fifth post on the page. Wyss 15:56, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Hitled did use amphetamine and/or cocaine (in eye drops), but I don't know if that qualifies as addiction. // Liftarn

[edit] Vandalization

The article is more like an anti-Hitler biased high-school kid essay. NPOV tag added. --The Bad Tax Man 11:31, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

I agree. What's interesting is that the article claims there is controversy surrounding Hitler's medical health, but according to various academic sources and academically credible resources, like the History Channel, there is little to no controversy. The controversy that exists seems to be "popular controversy" which is like the "controversy" regarding evolution. Personally, instead of this wiki article, I prefer David Irving's book The Secret Diaries of Hitler's Doctor which extensively details Hitler's medical history, including this fun fact: Morell administered over eighty medicines to Hitler between 1941 and 1945. There's an appendix, too, describing these medicines. But I won't mess with the tags because the newbies tend to take offense. Adraeus 11:41, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
You mean David Irving David Irving? The one who lost a libel lawsuit against Debby Lipstadt, in the course of which his work had to be *proven* to be full of misstatements of material fact? Wow. Why would anyone cite him on purpose? Isn't the point of authority to bolster one's argument, rather than torpedoing it due to tainted credibility?  :) (apologies if he's known to have been reliable on the subject of AH's health...) Eh Nonymous 21:48, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
It's not anti-Hitler biased. Lots of politicians have health troubles (think of Kennedy and Roosevelt). I'm removing the tag until a consensus for it appears on this page. Wyss 11:38, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

The page reads too much like a GCSE History assignment. Very biased if you ask me. Taxman says this as well. --The Bad Tax Man 11:44, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

No, you must precisely list the alleged points of bias here on the talk page before posting the tag (please do make the list, however). I've no doubt the article can be improved but its content is widely documented. Wyss 11:55, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

Check the tagger's contribs - he's a serial vandal and troll. I've removed the NPOV tag (and the tens of ones he placed on random articles). That doesn't constitute a comment on its neutrality on my part. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 11:58, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

Sigh. However, at least Adraeus made a helpful comment which I've reflected in the opening text. Wyss 12:03, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

I may be dreaming, but isn't the word "Vandalism" the normal way of expressing this segment's title? Garrick92 18:34, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Merge

We could merge this topic with Hitler. What do you guys think? The more information in one place (that relates to each-other) the better. Jake 17:22, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

Merge Bio is bio and belongs in a single bio article. There's no advantage to spreading it all over the place. Rklawton 01:38, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

I disagree on such a merge; the Adolf Hitler article is already huge, and Wikipedia policy suggests sub-articles in such cases. In addition, much of the info here is so controversial/refuted that it is probably out of place in the main article, which is presumably mostly fact and undisputed. TAnthony 16:00, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Merge with Sexuality of Adolf Hitler

I've tagged this page to be merged with Sexuality of Adolf Hitler. After all, information regarding this subject is already mentioned in this article. OSU80 11:46, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

I've merged the article Sexuality of Adolf Hitler with this article. OSU80 01:45, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

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I must say the "sexuality" part of Hitler is total rubbish. The only evidence of his sexuality is probably one of low libido as hinted in Oberregierungsrat Leybold's Statement...

"He has no interest in women, and received the visits of women friends and followers without any particular enthusiasm but with the utmost politeness, and never allowed himself to be drawn into serious political discussions with them."

He was definately not homosexual, never painted male nudes but did several female nudes and had at least one girlfriend Eva Broun (sp?) whom he later married.

The very page "Adolf Hitler's medical health" comes across as an immature attempt by Zionists to humiliate somemone who despised and humiliated them. Hitler's health is historically totally irrelevant and anyone who thinks Hitler might have been insane should take a closer look at Hitler's exceptional military accomplishments, artistic skills, political and social knowledge, and many other skills he possesed. It takes a very high IQ to be able to study and understand Marxism theory and Hitler proved more than capable of handling that and many other complex subjects. Personally I think this page is comprised of vengeful baby talk and undermines Wiki in general. In the same way that Israelis today are systematically eliminating all Arabs/Muslims around Israel so too did Hitler, a German nationalist, eliminate Jews from his homeland which he undoubtably loved. George Bush I might add is also carrying out his own nationalistic crusade in Iraq and Afganistan against whom he calls "islamofachists"!!! There is absolutely no difference between successive Israeli governments, Bush, and Hitler... all being extreme nationalists hell-bent on "cleansing" the World from evil, although Hitler has the advantage of being far more intelligent to the rest and his "accomplishments" prove this. Thank you and regards, Marios Polycarpou.

What does sexuality have to do with one's "medical health"? Are the authors implying homosexuality is a disease?67.190.197.116 09:21, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

I absolutely agree. What are speculations about his sexuality doing in an article about his health? If you could work it into something about his mental health, then maybe. At the moment it's insulting to gay people.Neil 03:35, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Medical Health and Sexual Orientation are completely different topics; this is in its present state incredibly insulting to gay people! Sexual orientation is in no way a reflection of one's health, physical or mental. I request that this be removed unless someone can give a compelling reason to link one's health and orientation. Exate 17:34, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

I came to the talk page to say this, thankfully someone already has. Orientation is not an illness, mental or otherwise. I'd like to add my voice to those saying it should be moved/removed immediately. 74.78.228.126 23:21, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Redundant part removed

I deleted a part of the article which appeared twice. The proceeding unsigned comment was inserted by 24.51.190.141 23:15, 30 April 2006

[edit] Article name

"Medical health" is a bit redundant, and the article address more than just his physical health. Is there any objection to moving this to Adolf Hitler's health or Adolf Hitler's physical and mental health? -AED 05:18, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Health seems better to me. Bucketsofg✐ 05:21, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Removal

I propose this whole (censored) thing be removed! Come on! Who wrote this, and why? Colonel Marksman 17:51, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Work camps and product-development schemes

Er, 'Hit-ler' may have been the subject, along with his Nazis and immigrants, of a business scheme to hammer out a free-standing trash masher machine. beadtot 6/6/2006 02:11, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Flatulence attributed to (semi-)vegetarian diet?

This is in stark contrast to other reports which that he chose a semi-vegetarian diet because of adverse reactions to red meat consumption, which included stomach cramps, excessive sweating and flatulence. See for instance [1], [2], [3]. Aragorn2 19:59, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Parkinson's disease (PD)

I heard in a lecture on PD that examiniation of Hitler's handwriting indicated the progression of micrographia which is a symptom of PD. I don't have a specific reference, but if someone confirms that maybe they can add it to main article. AdderUser 19:58, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Wounds

I've heard that Hitler was injured in the head (probably during WW1) and had a metal plate and this was the reason he covered his forehead. I've also heard about injuries to the upper lip. That would explain the silly moustace, but then it was in style then so... // Liftarn

[edit] "One ball"

"Hitler, just like Goebbels, was burned (carbonized, to be exact) after his suicide, there hardly could be much left for autopsy after his death." Now, this just isn't correct. Hitler was partially cremated using (from memory) around 12 gallons of petrol. One foot was charred off, the skin was burned off along with some muscle tissue and the underlying fat deposits at extremities only; the skull remained mostly intact, all teeth survived, the torso mainly intact apart from the bit that was uppermost. Same goes for Goebbels who was easily identified in profile by people who knew him. Garrick92 18:33, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure about that but he get injured when the allies attacked the trench where he was with mustard gas.

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