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[edit] Layout
Hi, Ëzhiki. Here's my late, but hopefully better than never reply to your request. I've had a look a the nomination for FL, but I can't find any discussion specifically about the layout to review, so my apologies if I'm working against consensus.
My general philosophy is to eliminate every unnecessary element, and simplify everything that's left as much as possible. Simplify the layout, eliminate tables used for layout. Format the cities consistently with the districts, even though they have less information (perhaps they could each use a location map with a dot or circle). For the location maps, I would remove the thumbnail frame, since the section heading already identifies each one, and make it small, since labels and details are already presented in the main map.
The information really is quite structured, with each section essentially like an infobox, so maybe a table layout is the best solution. I think the grey background and rules are superfluous, though.
I'd also like to see the Adyghe names transliterated, if possible.
Anyway, below is my attempt. —Michael Z. 2007-01-18 16:05 Z
[edit] Cities and towns under republic jurisdiction
[edit] Maykop
[edit] Adygeysk
[edit] Districts
[edit] Giaginsky District
- Russian: Гиагинский, Giaginsky
- Adyghe: Джэджэ, Dzhedzhe
- Population: 33,458[1]
- Administrative center: stanitsa of Giaginskaya
Rural okrugs:
- Ayryumovsky (Айрюмовский)
- Dondukovsky (Дондуковский)
- Giaginsky (Гиагинский)
- Kelermessky (Келермесский)
- Sergiyevsky (Сергиевский)
[edit] Comments
- Hi, Michael! Thank you very much for your feedback. The layout issue was only briefly touched during the FLC, so I can't say there really is a consensus regarding how the things should look like.
- Regarding your draft above, I'd like to make some comments and solicit a bit further advice from you. During the nomination, two people mentioned that having some information on how the types of rural settlements are different from one another would be useful. While there is no difference in their status at present time, historically all types of rural settlement developed differently, but along the same patterns inside each type (e.g., auls were Adyghe villages, settlements were established during Soviet times, khutors were usually villages of the Russian settlers, etc.). I was able to find an excellent source dealing with the issue of types of rural settlements in Adygea, and I would also like to add the numbers of rural settlements each rural okrug includes, with percentages for each type, as well as with population distribution. With your proposed layout, I am not quite sure where to include those numbers. Perhaps, the table layout would work better in that case after all? I also don't quite like how the maps are placed in your draft. Any way to move them to the right without framing them? That's just a matter of my personal taste, though.
- As for your other concerns. I don't have locator maps for Maykop and Adygeysk. The person who made the locator maps left Wikipedia (hopefully, temporarily) due to being busy in real life. Unless there is someone capable of producing two consistently looking maps, I'm afraid I can't do much about it. As for romanizing Adyghe names, I'll see what I can do. There are no BGN/PCGN conventions for Adyghe, so it's going to be either ISO-9 or ALA-LC, sets of rules for which I have to find first.
- Again, thank you for looking into this, Michael. Your help is very much appreciated.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 16:54, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
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- Just to suggest that if Michael's layout is taken up, it is wrapped to make say three columns (e.g. using style="-moz-column-count:N; column-count:N;") otherwise it may become long and narrow. Regards, David Kernow (talk) 19:14, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
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- So, basically, it would still be in the same format as it is now, except columns will be utilized instead of tables?—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 19:42, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
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Ëzhiki, can you provide an example of what the additional info for a district will look like?
Regarding the layout, the unframed image can be floated on the right, but unfortunately it will then stick to the right edge of a very wide browser window, which looks quite awkward next to the narrow list. I'll give a bit more thought to other layout options, but I'm concerned that multiple columns or horizontal table layouts won't work well in a narrow browser window, or on the small screen of a portable device.
I did try another table layout too, but I wasn't very happy with the results so far. I don't mind a list of statistics looking like a list. —Michael Z. 2007-01-18 22:19 Z
- I'll make an example tomorrow or in the next few days. One thing that will be there for sure is the numbers of rural settlements in each rural okrug and under jurisdiction of both Maykop and Adygeysk. I was also hoping to add areas in future (I don't have reliable sources with the area information yet), so that'll be another column.
- As for the layout, I should probably mention that I have no problems with current tables whatsoever on my Pocket PC at 320x240 (in both portrait and landscape modes). Does that make you more at peace with the tables idea?
- Finally, while I agree that transliteration of Adyghe names is good to have, what is the point of adding Russian transliteration to Russian names? In 99% of all cases (100% for Adygea) the transliterated name will be exactly the same as the name of the section. Seems somewhat redundant to me. Any other reasons?
- By the way, I found romanization guidelines for Adyghe here. Both ISO-9 and ALA-LC are there, along with two other systems I've never heard of. All four rely heavily on diacritics and all contain some characters I am not sure how to enter. Would you be able to help me with those, please? I am leaning towards ISO-9, but will have to look at all four closer once again just to make sure. As usual, thanks for all your help! Best,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 22:43, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
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- Good point about the romanized Russian. The only point in having it is to demonstrate the relationship between the subheading and the Russian and Adyghe names, in both Cyrillic and Latin—it isn't necessary for its own sake, but by consistency it clarifies everything around it, especially for non-Cyrillic readers. We can compare versions with and without to help decide whether to keep or remove it.
[edit] New draft
I apologize for the delay with my response—it took me longer than I anticipated to find all of the sources I needed.
I have placed a new draft of this list in User:Ezhiki/Administrative divisions of Adygea. The "Administrative divisions stucture" section has been significantly expanded. I have also listed "the number of rural settlements in jurisdiction" of both Maykop and Adygeysk. I do have this information for each rural okrug as well, but this is where I need your help in figuring out what format would work the best in the end. One of my ideas was to put a short sentence in the lead of each district subsection describing where the district is located, e.g.:
Giaginsky District (Russian: Гиагинский район, Giaginsky rayon; Adyghe: Джэджэ район, Džèdžè rajon) is located in the middle part of the Republic of Adygea.
This will allow to get rid of the link in the section title, as well as of the ugly small Russian/Adyghe print right below it.
As for the romanization of Adyghe, I believe that ISO-9 will do a better job than ALA-LC. Michael, if you still want to help with that, I'd be most grateful.
Feel free to play with the draft in my userspace in any way you see fit. I do have plans for adding a little more information about cities/towns/urban-type settlements, but that will have no effect on the layout. Thanks again for all your help, folks!—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 19:51, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
