Talk:Abu Ayyub al-Masri

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I think the merge should be put on hold as there is information that al Muahjir is actually a Libyan (or possibly a Yemeni) and has been described as a devotee to Shari'a law. There is reliable information that Abu al Masri is an explosives expert and actually trained others in the use of explosives in Afghanistan whereas the information I have seen about al Muhajer mentions nothing about explosives and concentrates more on his idealogical interests and his role in the indoctrination of new members. Already there are reports emanating from US authorities which are merging this information into one character.

Contents 1 al-Muhajir 2 Merge 3 The Pender Reference 4 al-Masri Dead? 5 Claim about being in jail in Egypt

[edit] al-Muhajir

The US Military has identified al-Muhajir as al-Masri. I have stated this in the article, but at this stage in time I feel it's a bit early to merge the articles. Just because the US says so.... - Dark Prime, June 17th 2006 ---merge--then edit...

[edit] Merge

The stories I've seen so far are "This is who the CIA thinks he really is." It should be mentioned, but I'd wait a few days before merging. --Falcorian ^(talk) 17:13, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

The DOD refers to him as al-Masri, so the other article should be merged into this one, as to streamline things. (Tofumatt 20:46, 15 June 2006 (UTC))

Could you provide a source? I, again, have only seen news reports saying "The US says it probably likely is". --Falcorian ^(talk) 20:51, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Merging these articles in inappropriate because it is merely a hypothesis that al-Muhajir is an alias for al-Masri. This sentence is appropriate: "Abu Hamza al-Muhajir, recently named as Zarqawi's successor as leader of the organization, may be an alias that refers to al-Masri.". That statement is based on this reference, which says "Some analysts say Muhajir may be a nom de guerre for Egyptian militant Abu Ayyub al-Masri". The source cited does not state that they are definitely the same person. (Sobesurfski 21:38, 15 June 2006 (UTC))

Furthermore, the succession boxes should not name al-Masri as the present leader of al-Qaeda in Iraq. - Dark Prime, 16 June 2006

I'm going to insert a merge tag, because it has been suggested. That doesn't mean it will be merged, just that a significant dialogue is going on about that possibility. --65.96.200.120 16:35, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Shouldn't be merged, as there's no evidence beyond the US thinking that the two might be one and the same. Penguin22 20:34, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Pender Reference

I suggest removal of Sam Pender's supposed pre-Bush timeline of Al-Qaeda ties to Iraq, mostly due to the irrelevence of said chronolgy to al-Masri. Additionally, the subject matter of the source does not even fulfill its aim (pre-Bush Al-Qaeda ties to Iraq). In short, I cannot see citation of the source as meeting Wikipedia's quality standards.

[edit] al-Masri Dead?

Reportedly so: [1] Minutiaman 08:16, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Yep. Other news around the world are reporting the same. He was killed by an USA air strike, along with 3 of its aides. --Pinnecco 09:10, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

[2] Apparently, he's not dead.

Agreed. Just saw it as well. I guess that noe ven Reuters is a reliable source of news after all :) --Pinnecco 11:51, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Claim about being in jail in Egypt

I would omit all mention of this silly and disproven claim, which seems to have been a publicity stunt by the Egyptian lawyer who first made it, promptly lapped up by al-Jazeera.

LDH 05:26, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Okay, I axed that b.s.

Abu Hamza al-Muhajir is a rampaging butcher and one of the most wanted criminals in the world. This article is not the place to be copying and pasting rumours and speculation about him that come from reckless journalists and incompetent bloggers. This is not Usenet.

LDH 04:37, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

The source is named and what is being claimed is named. Inclusion in wikipedia is verifiability, not truth. It can be verified that such a person said so and so. --Lft6771 19:06, 18 March 2007 (UTC)