Talk:Absent referent
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This article was nominated for deletion on 20 November 2006. The result of the discussion was Keep. |
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[edit] improved article
OK, I have improved the article to include the the concept from other realms. Hopefully this will address the concerns of those who support deletion. SORRY! this should not be considered a minor edit! --Bhuston 18:17, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] God
The revised article says "arguably no person has seen God directly." which is a bit weasel-worded. Arguing for the opposite position, [1] lists over a dozen Bible verses stating that human beings did see God. Thhis does not seem to add to the merit of the article. Edison 15:30, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
- Hi Edison. This should not be a theological debate. The only interesting point to make about God, in this context, is as an example of a sign without an antecedent (atheist position) or which cannot be directly experienced (agnostic position). Since the article already has the first case covered many times, the agnostic position is the only one which has merit mentioning. The scientist asserts "God cannot be experienced directly". Dosen't matter whether the scientist is right or wrong, or that some people claim to have experienced God directly. Do you see? This is why the word "arguably" is necessary and not a weasel word. Your edit says "some people may experience God directly", then asserts The signifer "God" can be considered to have a referent which cannot be directly experienced. Huh? Not to the people who you claim have experienced God directly. I suggest: a) put it back to the way it was, b) change the second clause to make it consistant. I prefer a) as I cannot think of a way to make b) work. --Bhuston 01:51, 23 November 2006 (UTC) ... PS: Thanks for the switch to keep!!
[edit] Carol J. Adams
Please cite to her books, as well as to her web page. A published book which sells on Amazon such as Sexual Plitics of Meat, #387000th in sales out of 4 million books, is a more reliable reference, though not as easy to check as a web page. I would include both. The Pornography of Meat is 540,000th in sales. There is a quotation from her in the article but it does not say what page of what book it came from. To make a case for keeping this article the best bet is showing that the term is widely used outside of her use, as well as that her use has been reviewed and written about, especially in reliable sources like other books and magazines or scholarly journals. If this article bites the dust, perhaps there could be an article about her. Edison 15:36, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Linguistics
The introduction says "Absent Referent (sometimes Missing Referent, or Missing or Absent Antecedent) is a concept from linguistics," The article would be improved by a cite to a book or journal of linguistics where this term is used. Edison 15:39, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
