User talk:Abebenjoe

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[edit] Politicians

Hi...regarding the Prime Minister infobox that you added to Cheri DiNovo and Paul Ferreira, I just wanted to point out that we should only be using that infobox on articles about people who have actually been a government leader (prime minister or premier); there's a separate box, {{Infobox Politician}}, to use for people who have only been a regular MP, MPP or candidate. Thanks. Bearcat 23:26, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Abebenjoe 03:52, 16 January 2007 (UTC) Thanks Bearcat. I was looking for a template like that, and the only one I found was the prime minister one. Thanks, I'll use it for other pols. as well.

[edit] Image copyright problem with Image:CheriDiNovo180.jpg

Thank you for uploading Image:CheriDiNovo180.jpg. However, it currently is missing information on its copyright status. Wikipedia takes copyright very seriously. It may be deleted soon, unless we can determine the license and the source of the image. If you know this information, then you can add a copyright tag to the image description page.

Abebenjoe 03:52, 16 January 2007 (UTC) I added the copyright information. It is public domain. check the URL that was attached to the original message.

If you have any questions, please feel free to ask them at the media copyright questions page. Thanks again for your cooperation. MECU≈talk 02:47, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] More elections

See here:

Could you create those articles? I'm quite certain you're a lot more likely to know about these issues than I am. ;) Cheers, —Nightstallion (?) 10:49, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi, I'll try. Did not realize the Nfld election was the same day as Ontario's. I will try to do it next week.Abebenjoe 07:04, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Great, thanks! :) —Nightstallion (?) 12:03, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

I created stubs for the two by-election articles, though I would greatly appreciate it if you could flesh them out a little bit; the Green Party of Manitoba appears to have already held its leadership election in November 2006, so we can safely forget about that one. We might want to start Outremont federal by-election, 2007, though? —Nightstallion (?) 21:51, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

  • I'm involved in the Ontario by-elections until Feb. 9. Then I can add details to the other by-elections. I hope someone from that riding adds input. It won't be that hard for me to get info, since I have relatives in that Montreal riding.Abebenjoe 06:42, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] York South—Weston 200px

I spotted you having a bit of trouble with the info box on the above. I've fixed it for you. - X201 11:14, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. It looks a lot better now. This text issue has happened to me in other infoboxs, and I just simply edited the picture file externally. How did you fix it?Abebenjoe 11:20, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Ah, now I see how you did it. Silly me, I thought I had to add the "image:" command. Thanks again.Abebenjoe 11:23, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Yeah. Templates are usually already coded and know how to display a file so they don't need the full Image:filename|size info, all they need is the file name, which is what I changed. - X201 11:27, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Possibly unfree Image:YSW 2007 provincial riding.jpg

An image that you uploaded or altered, Image:YSW 2007 provincial riding.jpg, has been listed at Wikipedia:Possibly unfree images because its copyright status is disputed. If the image's copyright status cannot be verified, it may be deleted. Please go to its page for more information if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. Chowbok ☠ 17:53, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
Also Image:YSW riding map small.JPG. I don't believe Canadian government maps are public domain. —Chowbok ☠ 18:15, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

More:

—Chowbok ☠ 18:29, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

As campaign manager in Canadian, politics, all electronic maps that appear in the Elections Canada and the Elections Ontario site in the public domain. You are an American, and do not know Canadian copyright. This is the fourth inappropriate tagging of an image I've seen you do. Stop and and think before you tag something like this.Abebenjoe 20:56, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

    • I just got off the phone with Paula at Elections Ontario, there is no prohibition for election boundary maps, as I knew and stated earlier. In case you are unfamiliar with Ontario, or even Canadian intellectual law (I am not a lawyer), works by the government, unless explicitedly stated, have no prohibitions on them with regards to copyright. It is wise to quote the source of the image, like Elections Ontario, but that's it. I know this practically as well, since I do have to publish content from the different election commissions, riding boundary maps, or public results are always in the public domain. Lists of electors, which is confidential obviously cannot be published. As well, paper riding maps have to be bought, but if it exists on the website as a free download, again it is in the public domain. This has always been Elections Ontario and Elections Canada's policies since the Internet has been around.Abebenjoe 21:21, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Possibly unfree Image:CheriDiNovo180.jpg

An image that you uploaded or altered, Image:CheriDiNovo180.jpg, has been listed at Wikipedia:Possibly unfree images because its copyright status is disputed. If the image's copyright status cannot be verified, it may be deleted. Please go to its page for more information if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. Chowbok ☠ 18:31, 29 January 2007 (UTC)


Read the copyright listing for the photo on the attached to the url. Yes, we have explicit permission to use the photo of Cheri DiNovo.Abebenjoe 20:52, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

"[D]ownload .zip file hi resolution images for media use" is not a release of copyright. Anyway, since you have changed this to fair use, I'm marking it replaceable. Please add the disputed tag if you dispute that it's replaceable. —Chowbok ☠ 22:37, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
  • I contacted the Provincial Secretary of the NDP, Diane O'Reggio, weeks ago, and she gave the permission. Further, again, you do not understand Canadian Copyright. I will remove your disput tag from her page. As a member of the NDP executive that paid for this photo as well as someone who deals with its rights, I find it ridiculous that you are questioning the copyright on the photo. Abebenjoe 23:01, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
    • What is the nature of the permission granted? What exactly did she say? —Chowbok ☠ 23:28, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Just to save us both some time

Here's the deal with that Cheri DiNovo photo. If you tag it fair use, I'm going to list it as a replaceable fair-use image. If you tag it as public domain or no rights reserved, I'm going to list it as a possibly unfree image. If you want it kept, you need to provide something in writing from the copyright owner stating that they are irrevocably releasing all rights to the image or specifically releasing it under the terms of a free license such as the GFDL. Otherwise I'm going to keep disputing it. Sorry, I don't mean to sound like a jerk, but we need to follow policy on images. —Chowbok ☠ 23:39, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

  • Fine. I will not only send you confirmation regarding Cheri, but all Ontario NDP candidates and Members of Provincial Parliament. Usually I am the photographer of note for West-end Toronto NDP candidates, but in Cheri's case I wasn't (I won't go into that here). Which means I could have said I was the author, which under Canadian copyright law would allow me to make it available under GFDL. But, I can tell you as one of the former directors of the Ontario New Democratic party, that the media release is a license to publish it. Unlike the USA, we do not have "Fair Use" of copyrighted material. In Canada, it is called "Fair dealing", and it is a lot more restrictive than the American "fair use" clause, which, b.t.w., is a legal defense used when copyright violations enter into a legal dispute. So, the real question is, how do you want this "written" confirmation, since I can't snail mail it, and I can only either scan a letter or copy an email (in Canada, email has legal written status)? As stated in the copyright notice, all that is needed is attribution that the Ontario NDP is the source. Wikipedia will not have to pay a license fee. Since I am no longer a director of the party, I can no longer grant this on my own, but I do know this is irrevocably true. I'll either have Diane, as Secretary of the Party (General Manager), or Howard Hampton's office (the leader of the party), create the document, and I will then create a new copyright template for ONDP images.Abebenjoe 06:59, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Donald Macdonald

Hi, I've moved poor Donald Macdonald again as it's not wikipedia style to include postnomial initials in an article title. Also, I suspect that both Donald S. Macdonald and Donald C. Macdonald have Orders of Canada and honorary degrees so it's not a good item on which to disambiguate. General Idea 15:52, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

  • Normally I'd agree with you, but at least the other two Donalds have a middle name. Try as I might, I haven't been able to find a middle name, therefore it was more politicially neutral to go with his postnomial initials. At least we don't need to use parenthesis. I also chose postnomimial because there are than a few examples of that on Wikipedia. I suggest we change back to the postnomial title.Abebenjoe 19:39, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
  • Actually, now that I've revisited the title, '(Nova Scotia)" is fine. I thought you reverted it to (Nova Scotia politician)". I hope this is the last move. Now if we could only determine if he actually ever had a middle name, we'd be all set. Of course, with our luck, it would be "C." or "S.".Abebenjoe 19:48, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Page protection

Just so you know, protecting a page isn't just a matter of adding the template to the top of the article; the article also has to be manually locked by an administrator. I've now done that (and I knew as soon as the article got unprotected in the first place that the vandal was eventually going to come back), but I just wanted to let you know that normally you should discuss page protection with an administrator (me, User:CJCurrie, User:Bucketsofg, etc.) or post the request at Wikipedia:Requests for page protection, since part of the process can only be done by an admin. Bearcat 19:16, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

  • Thanks, I didn't realize it was an admin function. Didn't know the process for page protection requests either. Now that it is protected, i suggest keep it that way until at least the end of October 2007. I'll likely be adding more material to this article in the next few weeks. Thanks again, Abebenjoe 19:26, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Image:CheriDiNovo180.jpg

Hi, regarding your adding of the cc-by license to this image. How did you came to this conclusion? There is no mention of that in the site where it came from and in the image description. In the removal of the replace tag on the article you stated that it was PD. It can't be both. This image is a promotional image, you could probably assume from the fact that it was for media purposes that the image can be redistributed but not the other options which the cc-by license gives. Garion96 (talk) 02:50, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Hi there. This was decided more than three weeks ago. I obtained permission from Diane O'Reggio, to use this picture. Unless you want Howard Hampton himself to give you permission, I think that should be sufficient. You are now the third person, that has tried to edit this. Proper permissions were sought and granted. Abebenjoe 02:57, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

If there is permissions to release it under the cc-by license, could you please add the e-mail to the image talk and send a copy of the e-mail to permissions-en(at)wikimedia(dot)org. Or any other license. As long as the license allows the image to be freely redistributed, modified, used commercially and for any other purpose. Thanks, Garion96 (talk) 03:08, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cheri DiNovo photo

If you have or can get Diane's permission in writing, it wouldn't hurt to post the text of it to the image's talk page. I'll keep an eye on the situation in the meantime. Bearcat 02:54, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Yeah. I've got Paul Ferreira doing that now for all the MPPs. I'll see if she will email me the permission. I know that they will allow it, and wouldn't even think of suing. I'm not sure whether the current person is an American, but I get the distinct impression, these people that go after copyright, do not understand copyright law, especially in Canada. I'm not a lawyer, but I've worked in the film and television industry as a producer, director and editor, and I am fairly conversent with the Federal Copyright Act. One of the biggest questions asked is, if copyright is questionable, what's the likelihood of legal action. With the NDP, using one of their campaign photos of a candidate, would not get anyone in trouble legally. Also, I think the people that have been trying to delete this image are using American copyright legislation, not Canadian. It is my understanding of the Canadian Act that if you publish press releases, and pictures from the, they are fair game. At most, attribution is required, and usually that is not required. Anyway, I'll try to light a fire under Cecil St. and get them to send me a formal blanket copyright permission for living, dead and current ONDP/CCF candidates and MPPs. Thanks again for your help.Abebenjoe 03:08, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] James Irwin

Thanks for fixing the article Abebenjoe.

JBFrenchhorn 07:14, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Paul Ferreira

Thank you for your work on the Paul Ferreira article. It might be worthwhile to create articles about him in the French and Portuguese Wikipedias as well. You would have to register separately on those two sites, but you could use the same user name that you use on the English Wikipedia. The URLs for the articles would be http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Ferreira and http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Ferreira

If you upload your photos to the Wikimedia Commons at http://commons.wikimedia.org , the photos can then be used in any of the Wikipedias, which will make it easier for you or another editor to create articles about Ontario politicians in the French or Portuguese Wikipedias. Again, you will need to register separately, but you can use your English Wikipedia user name. As for the discussion that you were having with another editor about copyright concerns, you might want to use one of the form letters at Wikipedia:Example requests for permission. --Eastmain 02:28, 20 February 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Helping out with the Unassessed Wikipedia Biographies

Seeing that you are an active member of the WikiBiography Project, I was wondering if you would help lend a hand in helping us clear out the amount of unassessed articles tagged with {{WPBiography}}. Many of them are of stub and start class, but a few are of B or A caliber. Getting a simple assessment rating can help us start moving many of these biographies to a higher quality article. Thank you! --Ozgod 20:08, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

  • How do I help? Is there an assessment grid of some sort? I know the difference between a Stub and Start article, but the difference between a Start and a B article seems to be a fine point. I just want to be clear, because I don't want to begin upsetting people by giving them unduly low scores.Abebenjoe 20:47, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
Hey! Thanks for responding! A Stub rating is an article that is at its most basic, like Yani Gellman. It is basic information, not a whole lot. You would not walk away really understanding the subject of the article too completely. A Start rating is an article that usually has at least an infobox and/or a picture of the subject. The article is usually broken up into sections (or if you are kind, break it into the appropriate sections) and contains a decent, succinct amount of information on the life of the subject (look at Aaron McKie, contains no photo, but has an infobox and article is broken into sections). Most articles in the unassessed category are of the Stub rating and will need future editing. While going through and tagging articles with the right assessment, if there are any articles you come across that you find interesting I would bookmark them so you can help develop them later on. If you have any more questions, just let me know! --Ozgod 07:16, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Pina Martino, Laura Albanese, etc.

Please be aware that categories are used to classify things that are what's described by the category, not things loosely related to them — for example, Category:Elections in Canada should only contain articles about things that are elections, and Category:Ontario electoral districts should only contain articles about things that are electoral districts. Neither category should contain articles about people who ran in electoral districts in elections; there are separate categories for that. Thanks. Bearcat 00:59, 25 February 2007 (UTC)


  • Okay, thanks for informing me.Abebenjoe 01:23, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Permissions Image:CheriDiNovo180.jpg

Hi, that's great news. Regarding the e-mail, it's better to forward the e-mail to the permissions OSTR. The e-mail is permissions-en(at)wikimedia(dot)org. They will than add the permissions template to the image, so that no one else will add the picture unfree tag anymore. :) Cheers, Garion96 (talk) 17:08, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Wikiproject Biography March 2007 Newsletter

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