Talk:Abdullah Çatlı

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MHP is not a ultra-nationalist and anti-kurt party. MHP said their founder is Ziya Gökalp(a Kurd born in Diyarbakır). And MHP not racist their nationalizm is like French nationalism. And the Gladio connection never proved. Turkish Goverment reject the offer(build a Gladio in Turkey) of America. Ruzgar

That last edit is a bit heavy-handed if you ask me... but I'll see if I can contribute some material. maarten 01:43, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

This article full of stupid theoris. People must prove what they claim. Ruzgar 20:08, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

I said a lot of times in the other articles. MHP or the Grey Wolves not a faschist organisation. It is origin is Türk Ocakları and they founded by Turkish intellectuals like Ziya Gökalp. And his origin is kurdish. MHP leaders says a lot of time they are in the opposite for faschism. They said faschism is a other form of imperialism and capitalism. They said racism is forbbiden in Islam. And MHP never accept a thing which forbidden in Islam.

Gladio connection never be proved. Some communists authors(Soner Yalçın) claim that. But they cannot prove that, they say only all the anti-communist organizations are gladio. The general Kenan Evren who makes the military coup in 1980 said that Turkey rejects to build a Gladio. Bülent Ecevit is played an activ role in 1970's communist-nationalist crise and his words cannot be objective. Please show me exact sentences of these sources which menitoned in the article. Ruzgar 02:58, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

MHP is anti-kurd party?! Come on... MHP is the kindergarden of the nationalism school. They want the votes of the Kurdish minority so they forgot about the shared dream of a Nation State! Abdullah Çatlı is one of the true heroes of Turkey. He made successful operations against Armenian terrorist group ASALA. Showing him as a bad person is a way to betray your nation. Deliogul 22:50, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sided

I played with the text to see who are interested in it. Not a surprise, Khoikhoi ;) Still this article is hugely lacking in evidence. In my opinion Çatlı is a hero who destroyed a bloody terrorist organization nearly personally but of course I can't write such things here since it must be an objective article but this article just says he was a gunman, a mafia member, a man accepts money as his religion, an extreme everything and worse than all, a servant of America! Look thats a lot and nobody has any evidence on those issues. You can only say that he "may" have such connections. The article is pro- socialist. I don't say you have to do it in a pro- nationalist way but at least be democratic. Deliogul 23:41, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Selam. I reverted because your additions contained many weasel words. For example, "on the other hand, others claim that he was a criminal and had strong partnership with the mafia". Who specifically claims this? What you need to do is cite reliable sources. Just report what third-party sources claim about the man, your opinion and mine are irrelevant here. Khoikhoi 00:17, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

I understand your point but I still think that we, at least, have to put disputed mark in many places in the article. Also I can find couple of people who say Çatlı was a criminal. For example our Karaoğlan Bülent Ecevit said it. Last month they mentioned that Çatlı was a criminal in Kanal D TV series Kod Adı. Many journalists attacked Çatlı during the zenith of the Kurtlar Vadisi wave, of course because of the similarities between Çatlı and the lead character in the series. Socialist magazines like Birikim always attack on Çatlı and what he is representing. On the other hand, Çatlı's defenders can be found in Turkish nationalist magazines such as Bozkurt. Saygılarımla, Deliogul 18:59, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Hmmm, interesting. What I'm looking for however are sources. Keep in mind that the threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth. Muhabbetle, Khoikhoi 06:12, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Ok. I will make some search about Çatlı and share them with you in this page. Saygılarımla, Deliogul 12:58, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Does anybody have any evidence about this heroin trade?????? Yalancının anasını, devrimci bacısını sikeyim. Racist Regards! Irkçı selamlar!

[edit] Category terrorism

I removed category terrorism per discussion at Talk:ASALA, where Khoikhoi insisted that using terrorist is not appropriate. If ASALA is not in category terrorism, while its members were charged, convicted and sentenced for terrorist attacks upon civilians in Europe, no reason for Catli to be there either. Atabek 09:29, 16 March 2007 (UTC)