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[edit] E-mail

I'd like to talk to the editor of the articles regarding the Avatar series. Please reply with your email, thanks a lot! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.42.23.112 (talk • contribs) 20:02, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Which one? Each article has several editors (such as myself). This is a wiki, after all. SAMAS

[edit] Content additions

I would really like to add one character description to the Aang page. It was for Toph, Aang's new friend from Avatar. Avatarblade

[edit] Sozin vs. Sozen

Sozin is spelled Sozen. I have proof

I'd be curious to see the proof... there seems to be a lot of discrepancy over this, though I did discover today that the Official website (Australia) website has it spelled as it "Sozin" (see the "Zuko" character page), so I'd think that's how it should be spelled unless you have some conflicting evidence. Prototime 02:46, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
It's not good proof but if you put closed captioning on a tv when somebody says Sozen it shows up as Sozen i don't know if that is good enough but there's my proof.
Closed captioning is not always a 100% official transcript of the episode. Oftentimes, closed captioning will crop and rewrite what is actually said, so either the text can fit on the screen or the reader can understand the context easily. We can't be sure, then, if they read the script for the proper spelling of sozen/sozin.
http://avatarspirit.com/interviews.php?id=7 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.160.116.44 (talk) 15:05, 10 December 2006 (UTC).

[edit] Origin

But where is it comming from( abook or so) --195.85.191.218

Where is what coming from? The series itself? --Crisu 15:50, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] tidbit: Most searched for

According to google trends, Zuko is more searched for than Aang Sokka and Katara. Aang comes in second, with Katara in third.71.232.171.189 22:44, 12 July 2006 (UTC) That's really not that all surprising. H2P 05:58, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] No Hair

You shouldn't say he has no hair, you should say his head is shaved. Mace Windu (Star Wars) has no hair, but they stated that his head is shaved. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.4.79.82 (talk • contribs) 07:28, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

If his head is shaved, why has none of his hair ever grown back? Why have we never seen him shave it? H2P 18:11, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
The issue of whether or not most Airbenders are naturally bald or just continually shave (if this is the case, Aang must be doing this off-screen), but either way, Aang does indeed have "no hair" on his head, so I don't see a problem with that wording. Prototime 19:29, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
I agree Prototime, ‘no hair’ is covering both ‘naturally bald’ and ‘shaven’. ~ c. tales *talk* 21:24, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Well I guess we just got this question answered :-P H2P (Yell at me for what I've done) 07:49, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

In the episode, 'Tales of Ba Sing Se', we see the group getting ready for the day and Aang is seen shaving his head.

They could just destroy the hair roots so hair doesn't grow.Xenero 18:56, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mastered Waterbending?

I was just wondering if Aang has become a waterbending master? Katara mentioned in "Bitter Work" that he has the reflexed of a waterbending master. Does this mean he's mastered it?

I don't think so, the context in that episode didn't really seem suggest that. He probably is pretty close to mastery, though.--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 15:24, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Shouldn't you guys update the part regarding Aang's bending abilities? I mean he's already pretty good (though not a master) in waterbeding and in earthbending, as we've seen in SOFN. But how did they do that in the past?

I beg to differ. I believe Aang has mastered waterbending and his bending status should be updated. Besides I dought that Katara will come up to Aang and say "Your a waterbending master now! Good for you!" The reflex statement is probably as good as it gets. Whats a question? 00:25, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

You have to get promoted to the status of master. Just because Aang has the reflexes of a waterbending master doesn't mean he is one. If it isnt explicitly stated in the show or on the website, we can't just assume things. Bagpipeturtle 03:34, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
Remember the Airbending monks? When a pupil reached master status in Airbending, they got the arrow-shaped tatoos on their bodies, or, at least that's what our article says. What's to say that the Water Tribe doesn't have a similar mark of mastery? Kochdude388 13:55, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Katara is a waterbending master right? Her appearence doesn't appear to have been changed. I still vote Aang as a waterbending master. And if he has to be promoted to master doesn't katara's reflex statement count? Whats a question? 00:25, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Again, somebody has to give him the title of master. Nobody has. -Dylan0513 00:28, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Dylan, I respect you and all but... Did you even finish reading my comment? Whatever. You win! Congratulations! Heres your new car! Yayy! =) Whats a question? 00:54, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

Katara also makes the comment to Toph first when she begins to teach Aang that he responds well to positive reinforcement thereby suggesting she makes the comment about his reflexes purely as a motivational tool instead of actually saying that he is a master.Geolly 00:40, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] name meaning?

whats does aang's name mean? there is a chinese charcter for it i'm just curious what it means.Angelofdeath275 18:54, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] change of picture?

May I suggest we change the main picture. All of the other characters have updated pictures that show them in season 2 but Aang's picture is still the same. I know he hasn't changed his appearance, but he has definetly matured over the series and it would be appropriate to show a better picture of him from season 2. -Wrestle593

Not a bad thought, but I'm not sure which to use. Personally, I'd think the best would be something showing the darker, brooding side of him that's emergered. One showing him doing advanced Water and/or Earthbending could also be good.--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 20:01, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
We need to get rid of this one anyway, it's not sourced. H2P (Yell at me for what I've done) 20:44, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Here is a good pictures of Aang. http://data.nickelodeon.nl/misc/dynimg/media/av_aang01.jpg User:pride, kinji

I doubt it's a good pic since it looks like a drawing before the series actually started (note the difference in the facial features). —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.160.116.44 (talk) 15:07, 10 December 2006 (UTC).

[edit] Meng and Koko

Do these characters really need their own sections under the Relationships header? I mean, they only appeared in one episode, probably never will again, and had no real lasting effect on the plot.--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 17:10, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

This is a very good point and has been seconded. With rumours that the show has been successful enough for a fourth season, these relationships will seem insignificant by the end. 202.72.187.152 17:50, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

I posed a similar question on Zuko's page. I think we need to prune relationships as time progresses. Such that, Zuko and Song had an encounter but unless they have an encounter again their relationship is summarized on The Cave of Two Lovers and that should be enough. H2P (Yell at me for what I've done) 23:04, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

After looking at the other characters I suggest we delete a few people in the relationships section. Many of them are just a small summary of the episode the minor character showed up in. I think we should limit the relationships to those who have interacted with the characters multiple times. Example would be that Iroh has no purpose on Toph's page (they met once and their meeting is summarized in The Chase) but Suki could stay on Sokka's due to two encounters having deep inner impacts on Sokka. However we'd also have to limit those characters who have had no real influence on the character in question, example being that Sokka has not influenced or done anything to affect Zuko and doesn't need to be on the page.

I think something like this needs to be done to allow the pages to be more direct. Lengthy does not necessarily mean its better. Discuss here. H2P (Yell at me for what I've done) 08:19, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Images

I removed several fair-use images per WP:FUC #3 and #8, as the images weren't subjects of commentary but merely decoration. We don't need images to identify other characters who have their own article (and thus an image there), and we don't need four different images of Aang. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 05:29, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Ok I can agree with you on the pictures removed after I actually looked at them. My main question is if this should be done to Zuko as well. Zuko's page is like 10 pages long and without the pictures it's boring and just looks bad (granted some can be shuffled away). If you take it to the Talk page for Zuko there is already a discussion there.
Well, it probably should, but I mostly just get the pages in front of me. Remember, having fair-use images just for decoration is not allowed. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 05:47, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
You and I both know that's a horrible reasoning. With enough bull-crapping skills any image can be justified as important. H2P (Yell at me for what I've done) 05:56, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
Well, it's a good thing I have a sensitive bullshit detector, then. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 06:28, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Major problems with the page

As you can plainly see, Aang's page has had those two stickers at the top saying the thing needs some major cleaning up. The thing is, I'm not exactly sure how to go about it. The other character pages seem to just have a great deal more information than this one and aren't too different in any other respects. Anyone got some really good suggestions? Y BCZ 22:23, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

To be honest, I don't really agree with the either of them, now that I look into it. The article seems to be in the proper context to me. What I really think they need is just some pruning. Many of the character descriptions have basicly become summaries of everything the character does from episode to episode, and that needs to change.--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 22:30, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Merge

Call me crazy, but seeing that the Avatar Spirit is a part of Aang, it probubly should be here instead of being a minor charchter. The only place i can see it fitting is under "family" though. Cnriaczoy42 19:29, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Heck, the Avatar State doesn't even need to be there. I figure it should just be deleted, as it's covered pretty well here already. Y BCZ 19:34, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
Looking at the article again, iw would go under avatar (stupid me), but it is covered well enough except for a picture perhaps Cnriaczoy42 19:51, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

I know I'm commenting like 2 months after, but it's still (kind of) relevant. I think these two articles should be seperate, since one is Aang and his stuff, and the other one, the Avatar Spirit, is a lot of people, including every other Avatar there has ever been. whatever, though. Bagpipeturtle 02:54, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Zuko

Under Zuko's relationship description with Aang it states that he and Iroh could be Aang's firebending teachers. Though this is the most likely situation there is no actual facts backing it up. That is simply an opinion. Anyone could be Aang's firebending teacher so that sentence does not really have much merit. I suggest it should be deleted. Anyone agree?

It should never be there. Whenever you see it feel free to remove it on the grounds that it is speculation. H2P (Yell at me for what I've done) 16:51, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] The Guru

In The Guru, I'm not sure of what Guru Pathik actually called the seven parts of the body which must be released (the four elemental parts: Earth, water, fire, air, plus the throat, the sixth one, and earthly attachments), and to control the Avatar State. I have them down as gathiks for the time being. Is that right? If not, can someone change it to make it correct? Kochdude388 02:29, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Curse you, writers, leaving so much open to speculation...

Alright, the finale's ending was downright evil, especially for we, the editors bent on keeping only factual information in the Avatar articles. Unfortunately even I'm not sure what to make of the end of Crossroads of Destiny. Aang enters the Avatar State, allowing the seventh chakra to flow and separating him from worldy connections (Katara). However, Azula strikes him down, and the symbolic representation of Aang conquering the seventh chakra collapses around him. I'm almost certain we're going to have to say that it's not certain what this means- Kataangers'll rampage on us if we say outright that Aang has let go of Katara, and for another thing we really don't know for sure what this means for the upcoming season.

What do you guys think? Y BCZ 02:50, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Well, I saw the glow happen when he was revived, so we know the Avatar reincarnation cycle/Avatar State is not dead. Maybe they'll pull a Buffy and have another Avatar walking around in the Water Tribes. Though I doubt it. I just want people to leave the pages alone for a bit so we can have a chance to EDIT THEM. H2P (Yell at me for what I've done) 03:02, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 'Justin'

What's with 'Justin'? Seeing no proof, I went ahead and deleted it. 67.172.125.13 18:53, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

From the look of it, just random idiocy, nothing to worry about.--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 18:55, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Apparently it's been popping up on a whole bunch of Avatar related pages recently, it's just fluff. Delete it if it pops up again. JBK405 18:56, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Season 2 Finale Information

What do you guys think? Keep or no? Most of it is speculation, but other shows have done similar information on their Wikipages (example: Paranoia Agent). H2P (Yell at me for what I've done) 15:07, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

It appears that we have official information on the whole thing now that the Nick site has been updated.
They say Aang was mortally wounded, but not dead. And they say that Aang was unable to master the Avatar State and clear his chakra due to Azula's interruption. Sage of Ice 00:35, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Tibet

Has anyone noticed the fact that Aang and the rest of the airbenders are/were reminiscent of Tibetan Monks? One dead giveaway (which I just added) is explained in the trivia section:

In "The Storm," it was shown that the four toys Aang chose that determined his destiny are a turtle (Water), a string-powered propeller (Air), a Hog-Monkey (Earth) and a drum (Fire). This is the same procedure a child must go through in order to be recognized as the reincarnation of a Tulku Lama in Tibetan Buddhism. According to the book Magic and Mystery in Tibet by Alexandra David-Neel, “A number of objects such as rosaries, ritualistic implements, books, tea-cups, etc., are placed together, and the child must pick out those which belonged to the late tulku, thus showing that he recognizes the things which were his in his previous life.

Tulku Lamas reincarnate as many times as they see fit. This is very similar to Aang’s situation. There are a lot more similarities between airbenders and Tibetan Buddhists, but I can’t think of any right now as I just got home from work (9pm – 5am). (Ghostexorcist 11:26, 5 December 2006 (UTC))

Another thing, Aang's teacher, Monk Gyatso, has a Tibetan name. As it says on the List_of_Avatar: The Last Airbender minor secondary characters page, 'Gyatso' (the Tibetan word for 'ocean') is the name given to each incarnation of the Dalai Lama when he takes the position."(Ghostexorcist 22:43, 5 December 2006 (UTC))

[edit] Eye Color

I know it says grey and even in a bunch of pics. from book 1 he has grey, but they seem to be brown now (see the drill at the part when the camra zooms on aang's eyes while fighting azula). I could be seeing it differently, but what does everyone else think? Momoroxmysoxoff 18:48, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Hmmm...[1]..kinda hard to tell with that one...[2] and that one could just be the weird lighting. So let's try the finale, shall we? [3] Ah, that looks grey enough, don't you think? The thing to remember about reflective objects that are white or similar hue is that they tend to shift color more easily based on the light that hits them. If you've ever looked at a very shiny golden or silvery object, you've probably seen this happen.Y BCZ 21:22, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
Thanks. That's been bugging me for the longest time! Momoroxmysoxoff 00:02, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Twinkletoes

The article has this as an alias, isn't it more of nickname? And isn't an alias a name you pass off as your own to hide your true idendity?--Editmonkey 06:07, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

I guess if that's the case then it shouldn't be there. But why would aliases be in the template instead of nicknames? -Dylan0513 14:08, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
Maybe because with aliases some (non-observant) people might not be able to tell that Bonzu Pippenpaddleopsokololis the third (or however it's spelled) was Aang. With nicknames, it's kind of common knowledge. maybe. Should there be a nicknames section? Enough people have nicknames (Aang, Katara, Zuko, et cetera), maybe it should be added to the template. Bagpipeturtle 22:31, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
The whole Pippenpaddleopsokopolis thing should stay...Aang and Katara used them as their real names to get past the guards of the Earth Kingdom, so they're aliases. Same as how Zuko called himself "Lee" and his uncle "Mushi". Nicknames aren't used this way, they're simply ways of addressing a person if you already know their real name. Y BCZ 23:38, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
Pippenpaddlewhatever was only used for one episode, and it was more for comedic effect than an actual alias. If Aang were to have been using that as a real assumed name, he would have made it more believable, like Zuko and Iroh (Lee/Junior and Mushi)'s in most of Season/Book 2. As for Twinkletoes, that's a nickname, and there's not really enough for any of the other characters, is there? Unless you wanted to add 'Zuzu', to Zuko's page... Kochdude388 23:34, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Categorie

Since when does Aang moves in superhuman speeds? Does that have something do to with minimazing the wind resistence or something? 201.17.63.235 17:02, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

He does it in The Blue Spirit, when he is going to get the cure for Sokka and Katara. -Exhibit A 17:14, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

It's seen in several other episodes, too. Though never explicitly explained in the series, it likely has something to do with decreasing wind resistance (As you said) or propelling himself with gusts of air. JBK405 19:14, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Pretty much what the official site says. ~ 66.250.190.115 10 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Relationships Removal

This is just a personal opinion but I think the relationships aren't really needed for the character pages. It seems since the relationship pages were created, it has only sprouted more controversy on what is considered a relationship, and what is merely fandom. Add on to that, with a future season coming, there's only going to be more increase to that particular section.

The character pages (Mainly Zuko's and Aang's) are far too long and the character relationships is the only reasonable thing to cut out. And I personally think there already enough on the pages without relationships, to give anyone enough insight on the characters. Lionheart08 20:48, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Uniformity

Okay, you know how There is a 'Story' section on this page? well, these are the subsections: Book I: Water, Reawakening, Winter Solstice, Practicing Water, and Future deadline. I'd just like to point out that if you are going to put a Book I: Water, there really should be a Book 2: Earth section. I'd change it myself, but I didnt read the section recently and I don't really know where book one stops and book 2 begins in that section. And I have school, so I have to go to sleep. Bagpipeturtle 04:02, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Uh, wow. How did I mess that up so bad? Bagpipeturtle 04:05, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
Eh, nevermind. I think I fixed it. Maybe. Bagpipeturtle 04:05, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Trivia Section

I just integrated the trivia section as according to the tag that is on the page and an automayed comment on the peer review page. Why was my edit converted? --Parent5446(Murder me for my actions) 23:24, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure. The comment was that it didn't integrate well. If the information isn't vital it can simply be removed. Jay32183 00:20, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] GA nom

I'm failing the GA nomination because:

  • There are no references/citations in this article. Significant facts about character/character development should be referenced with an episode number where appropriate.
  • More pictures wouldn't hurt, either.
  • There isn't anything out-of-universe, such as director's comments, etc; From the peer review:
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  • Needs a "Concept and creation" section discussing how the writers, animators, and voice actor created the character of Aang. There is also too much "in universe" detail, much of which is probably original research, especially in the "Relationships" section. Jay32183 00:11, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
 ”

—Disavian (talk/contribs) 21:02, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

We've been told NOT to use more pictures...? H2P (Yell at me for what I've done) 02:40, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Knew we should've never gotten rid of those pictures. Well its these guys who are the ones flip-flopping anyway. But yeah, people have an subconscious little habit of failing to see the more figurative point of the show and sometimes just plain seem to forget that everything that goes on in it, every blink and twitch, is being coordinated by a team of people with pens and pencils. Anyway, may qualify as Aang's "conception"- [4] ~71.163.70.6 12 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Site kinda vandalised

I come by this site every so often because i enjoy watching this show, the animation is great and I think the story is very well told, having said this, i recently viewed the avatar: the last airbender: 'Aang' page and noticed that a couple of thing were odd, chiefly the use of the word 'fag' which appeard as Aang's name and also appeared in the throughout intro. Anyway, I don't want to judge, I do however think that if people are going to read this page that they should leave it as is unless it's relevant information. Vandalising pages on wikipedia can be fun, nonetheless, i would prefer reading this info without having to come by some stuff some bored guy wrote so he could have fun. Anyway, I edited the page a little so i hope it looks like it did originally before the derogitive terms were thrown about. Thats it for me all, and if you do see that kind of trash talk and find it offensive, do feel free to re-edit it and post a message like I did.

65.93.227.195 02:12, 15 February 2007 (UTC)big fan of the show

Yeah, we get vandalism all the time. You just happened to see it before we could get to it. -Dylan0513 02:26, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

All the time? theres gotta be something the site can do to stop that. Still i guess its that whole freedom of speach thing, and the right to edit.

There's not a lot that can be done, there's no way to tell who's going to vandalize an article before they do it. Exhibit A 18:03, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

---Yeah, but its just sad to come and read info on a site you trust and find that someone vandalised it just for fun.

Exactly. That's why we need to revert it back as soon as we can. -Dylan0513 19:04, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
You know, we could just lock the article...Y BCZ 19:39, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
It's not vandalized enoough for that too be allowed. The Placebo Effect 19:45, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
And Aang is too minor to get locked. The main Avatar article on the other hand... -Dylan0513 19:47, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
Any page can be protected if there's a valid reason to. As it is, though, this one isn't being vandalized nearly enough to do that. Its really a last resort option. As it is, its plenty just to revert the vandalism and warn the offenders, then report them for blocking if it continues.--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 01:07, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

---that sounds like a better idea, I didnt know you could block people from wikipedia.

We can't, but the admins can. It's a touchy subject, though. Page blocking and editor blocking/banning are things that are normally taken with heavy consideration. This is because either of those actions goes directly against the very foundation of Wikipedia which is stated in the main page: "The free encyclopedia that anyone can edit". So while users can be blocked, they first need to be reported and be a continuous offender in order to merit the "drastic" measure.
Pages get blocked even more rarely and how they decide what pages get blocked are a mystery to me. I do not see how the Def Jam: Icon page warrants a block more than the Avatar pages. Go figure.
So essentially, you'll continue to see vandalism for as long as Wikipedia exists. Vandals spawn and procreate more rapidly than we can exterminate through Wikipedia means. So what can you do about it? Join us! Be an editor and a vandal police here on the Avatar pages. We could always use a hand. Sage of Ice 09:06, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Do we really need "Bonzu Pipinpadalopsicopolous III" in the infobox?

Honestly, do we? I mean, its a a one time joke, I can pretty much guarantee they won't be using it again. I mean, OK, put it in the article somewhere, fine, but I just don't see that it needs to be in the infobox. Quite frankly, it makes the thing ugly.--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 19:16, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

While Aang might have been a bit goofy when picking such an unnecessarily amusing name for his alias, it was a serious attempt to obscure his identity and present a false name, which I'm pretty sure is what an alias is. It might not have been particularly successful, or even long-lasting, but it was an alias. JBK405 20:51, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

It was a one time alias. Zuko and Iroh's were for a good portion of season 2. This doesn't count and should not be there. -Dylan0513 21:08, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Zuko was only called "Junior" in a single episode, and that was only as a joke, too, (Iroh obviously enjoyed it) but that alias is on his page, and the Blind Bandit, Dong, and Kua Mei are all on Toph and Katara's oages, despite likewise only being in single episodes. JBK405 21:18, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

The Blind Bandit was a very different case than Bonzu Pipnpadawhatever, as Toph had been fighting the Earth Rumble competitions under this name on a previous occasion (she was addressed as the reigning champ, if I'm not mistaken). As for Dong and Kua Mei...are those the names Katara and Toph used to get into the Earth King's party in City of Walls and Secrets? If it was, even that's questionable, as it was used once and only once, and Long Feng presumably later found they were lying. And Zuko's name got much more use than just one episode - I distinctly remember Iroh referring to Zuko as Junior/Lee in Ba Sing Se on more than one occasion (in the tea shop, I believe). Besides, Junior was actually more of a nickname ("Well, that [Lee] was his father's name, so we sometimes call him Junior" -Iroh in The Cave of Two Lovers). Kochdude388 22:07, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm quite sure that Iroh never used the nickname "Junior" other than in The Cave of Two Lovers, it was always Zuko when in private and Lee/Li (There seems to be confusion over which precise spelling) when in public (Or "My Nephew" or "Prince" or other such things). And yes, Dong and Kua Mei are the alias's Toph and Katara used when entering the Earth Kings party, and they're on the two character pages (And they have not been contested, as Bonzu has been). I think that frequency of use really shouldn't even be a factor here, because how much use a person gets out of something doesn't change what that something is; Bonzu was used as an alias of Aang and, even if it wasn't particularly effective, it still happened. JBK405 22:15, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

It was barely an alias. It was a joke that wasn't that funny. Kua Mei and Dong were way more important and had the theme of the scene before. Bonzu's random and a joke. Iroh's and Zuko's were used on more than one occasion in more than one episode. -Dylan0513 22:30, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

It's a questions of consistency, Fyre. Pure and simple. An alias is an alias regardless of when, why, or how it was used. Toph was only called the Blind Bandit in one episode, but it's an alias that all of us see as important because of its history. History is not important in defining an alias.

The nature of an alias is not of the essence, it only matters that it is, in fact, an alias. By definition. We can't exclude Bonzu simply because the name itself is somewhat silly. Mushi is somewhat silly as well, but it's still an alias. Used once or used often, it was used. Still in use or retired, they're still alias. We're not going to remove The Blue Spirit from Zuko even though he threw away the mask.

Bonzy needs to be kept for consistency, aliases need to be kept for organization. That's really the only thing that matters: consistency. We use all aliases or none at all. Being selective would be a double standard that is frowned upon.

What one THINKS of an alias's worth does not matter. That is an OPINION. All that matters is this: was it ever an alias in the context of the show? If the answer is yes, then we have ourselves a FACT which MUST be presented for the sake of CONSISTENCY regardless of how we FEEL about it. Sage of Ice 22:34, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

I'm afraid I can't agree. This particular alias is an unimportant detail. Others, Lee, Mushi, Blind Bandit, and so on, were all things people were known as for a significant time. An infobox ought to list essential facts, leaving details to the article's content. This is not an essential fact by any means. I think you're presenting a false alternative in this "all or nothing" argument. Nothing stops us from using some judgment, and blanket statements tend to do more harm than good.--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 22:44, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
Agreed. Importance does matter more than consistency. -Dylan0513 22:46, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
Using one's judgment causes one to omit facts. Wikipedia is based on facts and nothing more. That shouldn't change. One's judgment is no different from one's opinion. You judge the alias as expendable. I judge it as needed. No difference from "I think it's expendable" or "In my opinion, it is expendable". We can only judge what is and isn't fact, not what facts are worthy of presentation. We CAN, however, judge HOW a fact is presented. If you do not like Bonzu or June or any of the others in the infoboxes, then perhaps the infoboxes should be changed to display "Important aliases" instead.
Once again, importance is RELATIVE, however, and is something that heavily relies on how one PERCEIVES the fact as opposed to the undeniable truth that it IS a fact. Sage of Ice 22:52, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
Fine then, I want you to prove Bonzu is an alias. -Dylan0513 23:00, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=alias
–noun
1. a false name used to conceal one's identity; an assumed name
OR http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary
Function: noun
 : an assumed or additional name
Aang's use of the name fits both those descriptions perfectly. Thus making it an alias by definition, not because I feel it is. Rather pointless request, but there you are. Sage of Ice 23:05, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

(un-indenting)We most assuredly can judge which facts are worthy of presentation. Truth is not Wikipedia's sole qualification for inclusion. We can indeed discuss this sort of issue and attempt to reach consensus. That's what talk pages are for.

Regardless, I'm not making a case that this should be completely omitted, I'm simply saying it doesn't need to be listed in the infobox. We don't list everything about a character in an infobox, so we're already making a judgment. We don't, for example, say Aang sometimes Airbends when he sneezes in the infobox. I could edit the infobox, add a field for "Things done while sneezing", but that wouldn't make sense. Why? Its just not important enough to mention there. Unless we wish to inculde the entire article in the infobox, we're already making judgments, one more is perfectly fine.--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 23:10, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Like I said, we can only judge HOW it's presented. And that's exactly what we've done with the infoboxes and what is included in them. Once again, like I mentioned before, if you want to change how a fact is presented, then you need to change the category. Changing it to "Important aliases" would be a change in the presentation. Keeping it as just "Alias" submits it to consistency. Consistency is more important than opinions on worth. That is all it comes down to.
Now, if we were to change the infobox to "Important aliases", where exactly would you include Bonzu in the article? It doesn't really fit anywhere unless we want to toss it into trivia. Sage of Ice 23:16, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
Frankly, I think the need to add the word "important" is a bit of a demand for a shrubbery, but I can live with it as a compromise (although "Significant aliases" may be a better choice of words). In this particular case, I'd just add it to the bit about the visit to Omashu, being that that was the occasion in which it occurred/was relevant.--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 23:24, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
It's hardly a demand for a shrubbery. If anything, your request would better fit that category since there's no real reason within canonicity to remove Bonzu from the infobox. You want it gone because you feel it's unimportant even though it played a vital role in allowing the characters to meet King Bumi in Omashu. So you see, within canon, Bonzu should stay. I was offering the compromise not for my sake, but for yours. I only care about consistency. If the infoboxes (for all the characters) read "Significant Aliases" instead, then I have no qualms with Bonzu being removed since there is no consistency being broken. Same logic would then also apply to Kua Mei, Dong, etc.
Personally, I think that the need to remove Bonzu from the infobox just because it "makes the thing ugly" is being all too picky for all the wrong reasons. It does more good than harm staying there. Sage of Ice 03:15, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Oh wow would ya look at all this. For that "harm good" bit, no not really. Yeah its not killing any puppies but its not particularly helping anything either. Seriously though, it was from the early days of the show, it was this little joke (along with the Kangaroo Island bit), and its just, eh. You'd think they'd make a reference to it by now. ~Father's Wish 11 March 2007 (UTC)

They haven't referenced the Blind Bandit since the eponymous episode. They may mention her fighting days (mostly through Xin Fu and Master Yu) but they have never again called her by that name. Doesn't mean the name didn't serve a purpose and isn't worth mentioning...
Really, I don't know what's so hard to get here... it was an alias, like it or not. Stop trying to argue importance and just accept the fact that it is what it is. It helps more than it hinders so what exactly is the issue at hand here? Appearance? Come on... Sage of Ice 06:54, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
...I say we take the alias catagory off the character templates at all. Doesn't really apply to Avatar too much... -Dylan0513 10:59, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
All they seem to do is cause arguments. I nominate it be taken off too. H2P (Yell at me for what I've done) 14:38, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
I've got no problem with it so long as I don't start seeing "The Blind Bandit", "The Blue Spirit" or "The Dragon of the West" being listed under their character's "Position" category, which was what was happening before "Aliases" was added. Sage of Ice 19:57, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Remove the Alias section of the infobox?

Since this has come up, let's give it its own little discussion corner, m'kay?

Personally, I vote that it be taken off. It's really not that important, and if you want the aliases in there so badly, we can stick them in the Trivia. Raven23 20:53, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

I've moved the discussion on this subject to Template talk:Infobox Avatar: The Last Airbender character, the more proper place for discussing a change to the template.--Fyre2387 (talk • contribs) 21:05, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

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