Wikipedia talk:A spade is a

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[edit] My caveat

I added a pretty substantial caveat. Although I think it's correct, I'm not sure about the ettiquette for editing essays.

If people think my edit[1] changed the tone too much, I'd be happy to fork off my edits (maybe to WP:NOTASPADE), and just insert a "but see" sentence here. Thanks, TheronJ 14:42, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Strongly disagree

This essay states, amongst other things, that there is no policy against 'calling a spade a spade'. In fact, there are two. The Wikipedia:Civility and Wikipedia:No personal attacks policies specifically prohibit this:

From CIV;

"Calling someone a liar, or accusing him/her of slander or libel. Even if true, such remarks tend to aggravate rather than resolve a dispute."

From NPA;

"The NPA rule applies to all users irrespective of their past history or how others regard them."
"Accusatory comments such as "George is a troll", or "Laura is a bad editor" can be considered personal attacks if said repeatedly, in bad faith, or with sufficient venom."

This essay is sometimes used to suggest that it is 'ok' to be incivil and make personal attacks if you are 'right' about the person... but Wiki-policy directly contradicts this because everyone thinks they are 'right' when they are being rude and abusive. Ultimately, there is no good reason to 'call a spade a spade'. It does nothing to improve the encyclopedia. Nothing to defuse conflict. It serves only to allow people to insult those they do not like. Which is inherently poisonous to any sort of collaborative effort. --CBD 12:04, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

I agree completely, which is why I wrote Wikipedia:Avoid personal remarks. Discuss the person's edits, and the effect these edits has on articles. But don't try to evaluate the person's character or "behavior" at all. --Uncle Ed 17:25, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] "A Spade is a"

Can we find a less clunky title? Was the page moved from a previous title by mistake? YechielMan 17:01, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

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