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'parabellum' means 'for war' not 'prepare for war'; Si vis Pacem, Para bellum is the literal translation for if you want peace, prepare for war. Just wanted to clear that up; I edited it, but some one changed it back.

--ThegunsofNevada 18:11, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

That's wrong. Para is the singular imperative form of the verb "Paro" = prepare. "Si" = "if", "vis" = 2nd person singular of "volo" = desire, "bellum" = accusative case of "Bellum" = "war". --Eyrian 11:17, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

I think we could use some information about clip capacities. ~Anonymous

• First, it's magazine, not clip. Second, capacity varies from gun to gun and locality to locality due to laws and regulations. Typically most 9mm hanguns have higer capacities than those that fire larger calibres (for obvious reasons), but this is not really a function of the calibre so much as the design of the individual gun.

Contents 1 Performance 2 Article Renaming 2.1 List of notable weapons 2.2 Flat Trajectory?

[edit] Performance

The anecdotal reports about FMJ rounds are sadly not very far from the thruth at all. Until recently the German police had to use them. German gun magazines regulary reported about overpenetration, criminals getting lethal wounds but still being able to fight back or flee(and die)... Contact the leading German gun magazine or ask for information in the forums. http://www.visier.de/service_impressum.html Markus Becker02 21:20, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Article Renaming

The page needs renaming. It's officially 9mmPara; only in U.S. is "9mm Luger" common. Trekphiler 06:59, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

I concur... As per the general consensus from the team at Wikiproject: Military History, the name really should be 9mm Parabellum, or maybe 9x19 Parabellum, with a redirect from 9mm Luger, 9mm NATO, and 9x19 as necessary. --Commander Zulu 08:55, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. 9 mm Luger is a pretty archaic and inaccurate description. Geoff B 23:10, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

I've always thought the the "Luger" bit was weird, but it didn't bother me enough to bring it up. Now that it has been though, I'd vote for 9 mm Parabellum. Sounds more correct to me. -Thernlund ^{(Talk | Contribs)} 23:26, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] List of notable weapons

This needs to be expanded or deleted.What about the Browning Hi-Power, H&K MP5, Uzi, *insert everyone's favourite 9mm firearm here*. Geoff B 15:18, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

The natural question would be... what constitutes "notable". Can't have everyone just adding their favorite 9. Should be firearms that are famous for BEING 9 mm. The Beretta 92 qualifies I think. Certainly the Luger. But there are so many other 9 mm pistols that the list could get quite long. I'd say just delete that section. The 9 mm is sort of ubiquitous anyway. -Thernlund ^{(Talk | Contribs)} 17:15, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Flat Trajectory?

This article claims that "The 9 mm Luger cartridge combines a flat trajectory with moderate recoil," although it is physically impossible for any object to have a perfectly flat trajectory. This seems to be misinformation, unless it is intended to mean "comparatively flat." Could anyone clarify the meaning of this phrase? The implication that the 9mm round defies gravity is unacceptable. MatthewLiberal 15:00, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

'Comparatively flat' is an improvement. Geoff B 15:04, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Flat trajectory is a term commonly used in shooting to describe a bullet of high velocity that travels a nearly flat path. For example, a .223 Remington will have dropped only about 1.5 inches out to 200 yards. A .45 ACP on the other hand will have dropped more than 36 inches (1 yard) at 200 yards (if it got that far at all). As that's a rifle round against a pistol round, it's sort of apples to oranges. But I think you see my point. I don't think a change in the wording is necessary as the term is generally understood as "relative", but prehaps a Flat trajectory article is in order with a wikilink in this article. Maybe I'll write one today. —Thernlund ^{(Talk | Contribs)} 18:47, 11 February 2007 (UTC)