Talk:7th Muslim Brigade

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All the sources throughout the article are from the same site (balkanpeace)..but anyways:

They attained Bosnian citizenship, and are now living in several villages throughout Bosnia, where life is organized after the Islamic laws.

This is what I have a problem with, on what grounds do you write this? I don't know much about the rest of the article, I suppose it could have happened that Arab fighters were in Bosnia, but come on, both the surrounding christian countries and NATO have a desire to play this up, so please prove it a bit more.. Dan Carkner 01:17, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Done. Fisenko 01:27, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

I read the sources. They actually don't support the thesis anon wrote. He just keeps putting the copy/paste text, without improving article, so some parts are duplicated in the article like Amir Kubura's verdict. He must distinguish that 7th Muslim Brigade was a brigade, unlike El-Mudzahid unit which was an independent squad of volunteers. It is writen even in his own source at the end: Its soldiers worked closely with mujahideen - unit of Muslim fighters from Islamic countries who were prepared to conduct a jihad, or holy war, in Bosnia.. Regarding "balkanpeace" source, it is Serb lobby source, which supports Slobodan Milošević nationalistic regime, full of nonsenses and contradictions. I think we should just use relevant ICTY or ICJ sources and official judgements, not yellow papers. Emir Arven 15:43, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

From the 1997 US Senate report: http://www.senate.gov/~rpc/releases/1997/iran.htm

The Islamization of the Bosnian Army

In cooperation with the foreign Islamic presence, the Izetbegovic regime has revamped its security and military apparatus to reflect its Islamic revolutionary outlook, including the creation of mujahedin units throughout the army; some members of these units have assumed the guise of a shaheed (a "martyr," the Arabic term commonly used to describe suicide bombers), marked by their white garb, representing a shroud. While these units include foreign fighters naturalized in Bosnia, most of the personnel are now Bosnian Muslims trained and indoctrinated by Iranian and other foreign militants -- which also makes it easier for the Clinton Administration to minimize the mujahedin threat, because few of them are "foreigners."

Prior to 1996, there were three principal mujahedin units in the Bosnian army, the first two of which are headquartered in the American IFOR/SFOR zone: (1) the 7th Muslim Liberation Brigade of the 3rd Corps, headquartered in Zenica; (2) the 9th Muslim Liberation Brigade of the 2nd Corps, headquartered in Travnik (the 2nd Corps is based in Tuzla); and (3) the 4th Muslim Liberation Brigade of the 4th Corps, headquartered in Konjic (in the French zone). [Bodansky, Some Call It Peace, page 40] Particularly ominous, many members of these units have donned the guise of martyrs, indicating their willingness to sacrifice themselves in the cause of Islam. Commenting on an appearance of soldiers from the 7th Liberation Brigade, in Zenica in December 1995, Bodansky writes: "Many of the fighters . . . were dressed in white coveralls over their uniforms. Officially, these were 'white winter camouflage,' but the green headbands [bearing Koranic verses] these warriors were wearing left no doubt that these were actually Shaheeds' shrouds." [Some Call It Peace, page 12] The same demonstration was staged before the admiring Iranian ambassador and President Izetbegovic in September 1996, when white winter garb could only be symbolic, not functional. [NYT, 9/2/96] By June 1996, ten more mujahedin brigades had been established, along with numerous smaller "special units" dedicated to covert and terrorist operations; while foreigners are present in all of these units, most of the soldiers are now native Bosnian Muslims. [Some Call It Peace, pages 42-46]

In addition to these units, there exists another group known as the Handzar ("dagger" or "scimitar") Division, described by Bodansky as a "praetorian guard" for President Izetbegovic. "Up to 6000-strong, the Handzar division glories in a fascist culture. They see themselves as the heirs of the SS Handzar division, formed by Bosnian Muslims in 1943 to fight for the Nazis. Their spiritual model was Mohammed Amin al-Husseini, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem who sided with Hitler. According to UN officers, surprisingly few of those in charge of the Handzars . . . seem to speak good Serbo-Croatian. 'Many of them are Albanian, whether from Kosovo [the Serb province where Albanians are the majority] or from Albania itself.' They are trained and led by veterans from Afghanistan and Pakistan, say UN sources." ["Albanians and Afghans fight for the heirs to Bosnia's SS past," (London) Daily Telegraph, 12/29/93, bracketed text in original]

217.134.234.26 00:34, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

The word 'Shahid' does not mean 'suicide bomber' nor has it ever meant that nor it it 'commonly used to describe such people (other thatn by those who have no knowledge of what the word means (which I assume includes yourself) All Muslims are buried in a white shroud (again, what on earth are you talking about???) If you intend to engage in discussion then have the common decency to use correct terminology.