User talk:69.210.209.211

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Hi! I saw that you reverted to the old version. Where is your source which says that the Jinshi was written during the Jin dynasty? Now listen to me: No Chinese dynasty would ever write its own official history, it has never happened. If you think that, you should gop back and read Chinese history 101, You are just plain wrong. As regards the origing of the Jinshi, pls refer to Edymion Wilkinson Chinese History a Manual (HUP, 2000), p. 868. --Niohe 19:19, 5 September 2006 (UTC)\

I concur. The dynastic history is always written in the next dynasties (or, for short dynasties, the one after that). The Qingshi (History of the Qing) is only being written now. --Sumple (Talk) 06:14, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Aisin

I understand your claim about the link between Kim and Aisin since they both mean "gold". What I had a problem with is the claim that Aisin Gioro means Love Silla, since the two parts of the name are different things - one is a name meaning "gold" and the other is an honorific. --Sumple (Talk) 06:13, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

But his claims go even further than that, he suggests an identity between the Jin imperial family and the Silla imperial family. I am quite familiar with the secondadry literature on the subject, and I see no indication that this was the case. In fact, from the point of view of traditional Chinese rulership, I find it counterintuitive that the Jin rulers would choose the surname of another dynasty. The name of an emperor was sacrosanct and the use of any characters in the emperors name was circumscribed by a number of rules.
Until the Yuan dynasty, virtually every dynastic name - whether it be a Han or non-Han dynasty - was taken from the area where the imperial family originated. The Jin imperial family came from what is today Heilongjiang province in China, where there was a river called Gold, very far removed from Korea. Beginning with Yuan, however, Chinese dynasties use more propagandistic names for their dynasties: Ming (enlightened) and Qing (pure).
Now, it may very well be true that the Jin imperial family had some ancestors from Korea, so what? That doesn't make them Korean. If it is tru, it only proves that there was a degree of intermarriage between different royal and aristcratic families, that is not a particularly earth-shattering discovery. For instance, the mother of the Shunzhi emperor was Mongol, if I am not mistaken. --Niohe 16:04, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
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