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Re University of Pennsylvania's origin. The matter is complicated because it is not clear what should count as Penn's origin. Penn, however, states its own origins to be nonsectarian. The most neutral and objective thing to do is to accept each university's own statement as the thing to use for the table entry, and add footnotes to indicate any problems or issues.

The problem is that there are really two different narratives of Penn's origin. In order to justify a founding date of 1740, Penn claims that it originated as a charity school, which planned by George Whitefield and was chartered but never built or operated. Had the charity school operated, it would have been fair to call the charity school "Christian." But it never did. was chartered in 1740 but did not operate until 1751.

Penn's own statement of its educational "heritage," however, traces to Franklin's 1749 proposal, which was for a nonsectarian institution of higher learning, and Penn's board was nonsectarian. Dpbsmith (talk) 01:46, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Please use the Talk page at Talk:Ivy League to discuss your proposed changes to the article rather than ceaselessly reverting without discussion. Edit warring is counterproductive. -- Rbellin|Talk 03:23, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

68.80.254.34, I am not sure what your point is when you say "Penn was founded by Christians." Benjamin Franklin was certainly not a member of, nor sympathetic toward any organized Christian denomination, and was a self-described "thorough Deist."

The College of William and Mary is a fair example of a college that was Episcopalian (actually Anglican since it was founded before the American Revolution). It required all of its professors to subscribe to the XXXIX Articles of the Church of England. Harvard, Yale, and Princeton enforced compulsory chapel attendance by students; at Harvard, until 1886; at Yale, until 1926; and at Princeton, until 1964. These are good examples of schools with clear and meaningful sectarian ties.

However, The Academic Revolution by David Riesman Christopher Jenck says "The Anglicans who founded the University of Pennsylvania, however, were evidently anxious not to alienate Philadelphia's Quakers, and they made their new college officially nonsectarian." Would that sentence, in the footnote, satisfy you as acknowledging that Christians (as well as Franklin) had a role in the founding of the college? Dpbsmith (talk) 13:38, 9 May 2006 (UTC)


You have been temporarily blocked from editing because of your disruptive edits. You are invited to contribute in a constructive manner as soon as the block expires - but you should learn to distinguish between a difference of opinion and a "jew conspiracy". The latter is rather uncivil and unlikely to contribute to a meeting of the minds. Nunh-huh 00:22, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

You have been temporarily blocked from editing Wikipedia for your repeated changes to the religious status of the University of Pennsylvania at the Ivy League article. Multiple users have tried to engage you in dialogue on this issue, and you have been directly asked to use the talk page to discuss edits, but you have chosen not to talk. Your reversions have reached the point where they are disruptive. After the block expires, if you wish to continue editing the Ivy League article, use the talk page before making edits you know to be contested. With that said, some very good points have been raised by other editors as to why "nonsectarian" is more accurate and "Episcopalian". So please, in the future, engage in dialogue and listen to what other editors have to say, rather than engaging in edit-warring. Truly, JDoorjam Talk 04:44, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

I've blocked you again... for the reasons cited above. Dpbsmith (talk) 01:00, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

I've blocked you again for the same reasons. You have brought up some interesting points, some of which have been incorporated in the article, but your refusal to engage in discussions with other editors makes your edits disruptive and borderline vandalism. If you want to influence the content of this article, discuss the matter on the Talk page. Simply unilaterally and repeatedly making the same edits without any discussion is not going to be very effective. Neither the Church of England (nor the Religious Society of Friends) were not financial sponsor of Penn, and professors and students were not required to adhere to Anglican tenets (unlike the situation at the College of William and Mary, for example). Most of the people involved in the founding of Penn were Christians. However, Benjamin Franklin conspicuously was not. (Nor is it absolutely clear that Quakers are Christians, as the denomination is noncreedal and profession of faith is not a requirement for membership). But that is irrelevant, because that is not what is meant by an institutional affiliation. Dpbsmith (talk) 10:01, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Please don't alter my User page. That is considered vandalism. If you have something to say, use User talk:Rbellin or Talk:Ivy League. -- Rbellin|Talk 23:12, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

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Please stop. If you continue to vandalize pages, as you did to Pamela Rosen Lampitt, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Alansohn 04:19, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

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This is your last warning. The next time you vandalize a page, as you did to Pamela Rosen Lampitt, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Alansohn 22:39, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

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