Talk:38th Canadian Parliament

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People do not become a Member of Parliament, until they take the oath. They can't do that until the returns are official, and often it takes place some fair length of time later than that. The winners of the bye-elections held yesterday are not Members of Parliament.

Last time, I footnoted it...but because the House is in recess, it might be more difficult for me to find out when the oaths are taken. So, I'll leave it as is, for now. But, please, in your haste to be the one to make the edit, don't let eagerness overtake the facts. Currently, this entry is incorrect in respect of these two persons.

That said, I'm wondering about whether elections results would be useful entries...and how much detail might be considered. I know this is an expansion from what is normally found in an encyclopaedia, but I don't know whether it's of the would-be-in-except-it-changes-so-often-a-paper-encyclopaedia-would-go-out-of-date-too-quickly-if-it-were-included type or whether it's the doesn't-belong-in-an-encyclopaedia type of expansion. (Especially wondering since there's a likely provincial election here in the not-too-distant future.) - Cafemusique 19:33 17 Jun 2003 (UTC)

Contents 1 Vandalism? 2 Chuck Cadman 3 Former Members 4 Members in bold 4.1 Missing Member! 5 Parliamentary Delegations 6 Members titles 7 What is final date of membership?

[edit] Vandalism?

What I did wasn't vandalism (rarely do vandal actually work their asses off to do something productive, aka reduce the size and simplify the code) it was an unnoticed mistake -- I used a text-editor for search-and-replace which unfortunately also removed the french letters.

But someone should explain to me why the name "Pat O'Brien" was just linked to a politician called Lawrence O'Brien without a hint in that article of Lawrence O'Brien also being called Pat.

Aris Katsaris 01:03, 1 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I am very sorry, I was just annoyed to see the accents go. I will fix the Pat O'Brien thing. Earl Andrew 01:07, 1 Aug 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Chuck Cadman

Removed:

* Lost the Conservative bid in his home riding. Suspended from the Conservative caucus but Elected as a Independent.

because I think he was suspended in the 37th Parliament...in which case, it could be added to 37th Canadian parliament, but since his status hasn't changed in the 38th Parliament (to which he was elected as an Independent), I don't think it merits inclusion. - Cafemusique 00:23, 11 Dec 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Former Members

I've included Lawrence O'Brien in a new section of former members of this Parliament. It doesn't fit exactly with what the page has been (a list of current members), but it's information that should be preserved for 38th Canadian parliament (which redirects here), since he was a member of this Parliament. My suggestion is to use a new table for members who die or resign, so that the main list can be for current members. After the next election, it might look better to incorporate O'Brien and whatever other names may eventually appear on that list into the main list, with footnotes explaining how/when they ceased to be members. - Cafemusique 10:21, 19 Dec 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Members in bold

A couple of ideas. Personally, I don't think they should be in bold. In terms of "Members of the House of Commons" there's no reason to emphasise them. If the bold-face names stay, we need an explanation, because it is not intuitive, and there is currently no explanation. - Cafemusique 17:59, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Missing Member!

Does anyone check this list for accuracy? The member from Oxford, Dave MacKenzie, isn't on here. I just added him, but someone goofed up. --handisnak 17:22, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

In a list this size, errors are easy to make, and hard to notice. I just finished checking that the names are all listed from A-Christopherson (but I didn't get around to double-checking ridings or parties. There's an official list on the parliamentary website of current members of the House of Commons. (But make sure not to delete the member elected in the by-election. Since he hasn't taken the oath yet, he isn't on the official list.) Perhaps if people want to help verify the list, they could post here, so that we don't spend more energy than we need to overlapping each others' work. - Cafemusique 09:31, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I guess it would be pretty hard to have safeguards in place to prevent MPs from being missed. Thanks for your answer! --handisnak 05:55, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Parliamentary Delegations

The Wikipedia articles for members of the U.S. House of Representatives and U.S. Senate each have tables which list each member representing that state. It provides an overview of which members represent each province and territory (in both houses) and the parties to which they belong. I find it is a small but helpful addition to those pages.

What I am suggesting is that the same be done for Canadian MPs and Senators. I have an example at Raymond Simard's article. I created the MP-FedRep template and then added the {{MB-FedRep}} boilerplate to the Simard article. As you can see, it lists all of the MPs and Senators which represent the province of Manitoba.

Example:

	Manitoba Caucus serving in the 39th Canadian Parliament.
Senators	Sharon Carstairs (Lib), Maria Chaput (Lib), Janis Gudrun Johnson (Con), Mira Spivak (Ind), Terrance Richard Stratton (Con), Rod Zimmer (Lib)
Members of Parliament	Rod Bruinooge (Con), James Bezan (Con), Bill Blaikie (NDP), Tina Keeper (Lib), Steven Fletcher (Con), Inky Mark (Con), Pat Martin (NDP), Anita Neville (Lib), Brian Pallister (Con), Raymond Simard (Lib), Joy Smith (Con), Vic Toews (Con), Merv Tweed (Con), Judy Wasylycia-Leis (NDP)

If you like the idea, let's start adding more boilerplates to all of the MPs and Senators. Jump to the talk page for Template:Canada Provincial Parliamentary Delegation for more discussion. --handisnak 01:22, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

It needs to be checked for errors. I saw Caroline St-Hilaire was in the wrong province, and had the wrong party. I think we would need a robot to apply all these templates. They are a good idea, even though Ontario is deffinately on the long side. Perhaps they could be shortened to just their last names? Or like in parliament? Eg. for David McGuinty: McGuinty or Mr. McGuinty or for Tony Martin: T. Martin or Mr. Martin-Sault Ste. Marie -- Earl Andrew - talk 06:29, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

There are a couple of alphabatization errors in my tables - thanks for pointing that out. They have all since been corrected and correlate to the information at parl.gc.ca. // This system is adapted from the US on where California, the largest state, has 53 Reps and 2 Senators, whereas Ontario has 106 MPs and 24 Senators. I do agree that Ontario is long, but I don't find it to unwieldly so long as it is placed at the bottom of the page. --handisnak 17:57, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Members titles

Should the members not be listed with their titles as is shown on the offical site? e.g. Hon. Peter Adams.Members of the House of Commons CambridgeBayWeather 20:42, 28 August 2005 (UTC)

I don't think we need to put their full titles here, as long as they are on the person's article itself. -Arctic.gnome 23:23, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

I agree. There's nothing official about this site, and we don't want to succumb to the common Wikipedia problem of the important material being lost under a mountain of minor details. HistoryBA 23:41, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

That comment was so old I'd forgot about it. I would say though the titles are important. One of the first reasons I came to Wikipedia was for that particular information while writing to several MP's. However, I now think it should be in the main body of the article right with the sentence saying that "Cabinet ministers are in bold and party leaders are in italics." I know that each member has the information but it's easier to find if it's in one place. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 04:14, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

[edit] What is final date of membership?

I've noticed at least one page of a member not running for relection, noting that they were the member for the riding up until 2005; surely it should be 2006, though I confess I don't know for sure? Nfitz 22:39, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

The same question has crossed my mind -- does anyone know how this is officially determined? CJCurrie 22:45, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

They cease to be a member of parliament on the date of dissolution.