Talk:2C-E

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[edit] 2C-E Getting Scheduled Soon?

To whomever is providing the updates on the court case: can you give any more info on this right now? (Can you cite Fed court proceedings on Wikipedia, since they're a matter of public record, or can you only do this once they're public record? (i.e., ??are they public record yet, or only after the case is closed?? I don't know...))

2C-E is extremely rare and has not caused a single known reported death. I would think that they'd need more than the usual "analogs act" stuff to schedule it, since current study tends to show that the substance to which it is structurally closest according to Shulgin, mescaline, isn't actually bad for you... I'd hate to see 2C-E scheduled when it hasn't been scientifically demonstrated to be harmful to human beings at recreational doses while potentially-deadly, highly-addictive drugs like nicotine and alcohol remain legal. (Personally, I've watched prohibition not work more times than I can count, and anyone who has ever seen someone else smoke marijuana, for example, can attest to the inefficacy of prohibition in general, whether or not he or she is for the "off-label" use of these substances.)

Obviously, if you can't provide more info, it's understandable.

Thanks,

Tastyummy 08:12, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

One more thing:

It is legal to buy this chemical if you do not intend to consume it or to sell it to others as a product meant to be consumed, correct? Shouldn't you always be able to win a possession case by saying "I'm buying this to support the industry that produces these chemicals because I consider this to be good for society for reasons X, Y, and Z, but I never intended to consume or to sell it?"

(In other words, how can it be proved in court that a person intended to possess or consume it if he/she simply states that he/she buys it as an act of protest against the control of these chemicals in an attempt to legally support their production by the industry that produces them? Can this kind of protest be considered as criminal activity even though the production and sale of these chemicals via the internet by chemical suppliers-- whose customers are only required to click an "I agree" button to affirm that the chemicals will only be used in a laboratory-- is legal for those chemical suppliers, and since thus, seemingly, it can be argued that people accused of possessing this substance and intending to consume or sell it can simply argue that their intent is legal protest and not to consume or sell the analogs-act-triable substance(s) found in their possession?)

"Research chemicals" like 2C-E are often called a "legal grey area"; can anyone expert in law comment on this issue? It's relevant to the article, since this article is about such a quasi-licit drug. Information on the legality of these substances can be hard to find for a person without immediate access to case proceedings.

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2C-E Being Scheduled: The person who stated that on this website was some punk kid who got busted with it and with shrooms. No one ever got charged with the 2C-E in Utah as far as I know. It was a paranoid delusion of a teenager I was incarcerated with in the Utah County Jail with no factual basis whatsoever. Don't believe everything you read. ~MindHermit~

03/28/2007