Talk:28th Canadian Ministry

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Contents 1 Merging articles? 2 Legal Issues 3 Cabinet Capitalized? 4 5 Title 6 Requested move 6.1 Survey 6.1.1 To 28th Canadian Ministry/28th Ministry of Canada 6.1.2 To 28th Canadian Cabinet 6.2 Discussion

[edit] Merging articles?

This list is also compiled on the Cabinet of Canada article. Perhaps this page should be merged with the the other article because of that ... on the other hand, this article goes more in depth over the selection of this cabinet and the controversy surrounding some of the cabinet appointments vs. the other article that gives a general overview of what a Cabinet in Canada is (ie: a "Stephen Harper" article vs. "Prime Minister of Canada" article). I'd like to put this proposal up for debate. Amchow78 02:25, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

I think this page should stay seperate because, as you said, the article goes into depth about the Emerson and Fortier appointments. Also since this is an ongoing news story there will certainly be much more to add to this page in the next weeks and months that would feel out of place on the Cabinet of Canada page. --M vopni 06:28, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

I think this page should stay separate, but be renamed, as this name is a little too informal. The Governor General's press release referred to it as the 28th ministry [1]. --142.242.2.248 14:58, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

I agree, I like it - and I'd actually enjoy seeing articles about the various ministries in Canadian history (similar to the parliaments). I might do some work on such a series, but I don't have a heck of a lot of time to contribute. --Otter Escaping North 15:18, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. The previous Parliaments of Canada and Congresses of the USA get articles, cabinets and their non-Canadian equivalents warrent articles as well.

Re: "28th ministry" - I've just created a "The 28th Canadian ministry" article as a redirect to "The Harper cabinet" article for now. If you want to move "The Harper cabinet" to "The 28th Canadian ministry", I'm in favour of it. Amchow78 22:13, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

I think the redirect should go the other way because the 29th ministry could also be a Harper Cabinet if he gets re-elected. I know Chretien had two ministries in his reign as PM. --M vopni 05:08, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

I just created a redirect called "28th Ministry of Canada" if that sounds more appropriate than "28th Canadian Ministry" Amchow78 00:15, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

I would like to see it seperate as to not delute the information about the surprise appointments, reactions and outcomes of the appointments.--Thax 18:09, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

I don't think a new nth ministry was created during Chrétien's big cabinet shuffles, but it is possible for the 30th ministry to be a Harper cabinet: if Harper is replaced and he then makes a comeback and is appointed again. Also, the title of the article should not include "The". It should simply be "Harper cabinet" or "28th Canadian Ministry". Indefatigable 20:49, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

The articles should not be merged. Not all members of the Ministry are necessarily members of the Cabinet. By way of example, the Rt. Hon. Jean Chrétien appointed several Ministers of State who, while members of the Ministry, were never made part of the Cabinet. They are two separate entities which, since they often share membership, are often erroneously referenced interchangeably. Paradokuso 22:43, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Legal Issues

Was there actually a legal requirement for Emerson to switch parties and Fortier to get appointed to the senate in order to become a cabinet minister? I was under the impression that the prime minister could pretty much appoint anyone to cabinet without some kind of senate appointment loophole.

Speaking from a strictly constitutional standpoint, there's really no criteria at all for who may or may not be a member of cabinet. Then again, the constitution is completely silent about things like the executive branch of government (save the Queen and GG), parties, etc. Technically, Harper could have appointed Emerson to cabinet without requiring him to switch parties. Realisticly, though, Canadian political parties simply don't get along well enough that it would have been acceptable for a member of the official opposition to be a cabinet minister. My own personal bias would have preferred Emerson to sit as an independant. I doubt there's any precident for including an independant MP as a member of the cabinet, but I don't think it would have gone down any worse than the current situation.

As for Fortier, it's a matter of convention that all members of cabinet be parliamentarians. Generally, all cabinet ministers, with the exception of the Leader of the Government in the Senate of course, are expected to be members of the House of Commons. This is because the executive branch is accountable to the House. A new cabinet minister (or a new Prime Minister, for that matter) that is not already an MP is expected to run for a seat in a by-election to legitimize their position. Where regional representation is an issue, however, it's not unheard of for a senator to be appointed to cabinet. There are also a couple of cases where the Prime Minister ruled from the Senate. Both were over 100 years ago, though, and both came into power after the sudden death of the current Prime Minister. --68.146.186.92 01:02, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cabinet Capitalized?

Should Cabinet not be capitalized in the title since it is the proper title of a group? --M vopni 03:32, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

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Oops. Forgot to sign this.Jeremicus rex 18:39, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Title

• The title of this article seems to be a bit PoV. Would it not make more sense to call it "The 28th Canadian cabinet" or "28th Cabinet of Canada"? -- Chabuk ^{[ T • C ]} 03:13, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, the GG's press release calls it the 28th ministry [2]. So it would be less POV if were to go by convention, and not by who lead it. It makes it sound too American like (the Bush Administration, the Regan Administration, the Harper Cabinet). It would be better to keep the PM's name out of it. I'll set up a poll here. -Royalguard11(Talk·Desk·Review Me!) 17:59, 25 November 2006 (UTC)