Talk:27 Club

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This article was nominated for deletion on 17 June 2005. The result of the discussion was Delete.

This article was nominated for deletion on 15 March 2006. The result of the discussion was no consensus.

Removed the "Disputed" on Kurt Cobain's cause of death. It's no more disputed than most of the others (there are conspiracy theories about several of the other deaths in this article that have no less credibility).

Robert Johnson's age at time of death is unclear b/c of the lack of records at the time. However he should remain on the list, but with a note explaining that.

Done. 64.108.193.23 00:51, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Brian Jones should probably be moved up with the four other well known members of the club. The rolling stones were a very prominent band and he is included in the 27 club poster. --TimDoster 23:39, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Anyone else think the whole "apparent suicide" thing should be deleted from Kurt Cobain? Leave the conspiracy theories elsewhere.

Agreed. 64.108.193.23 00:51, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Agreed as well.Mr.WaeseL 02:55, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

I'd very much like to know why it's OK to say "alleged heart failure" for Jim Morrison, but not OK to say "alleged suicide" for Kurt Cobain. - Keith D. Tyler ¶ (AMA) 17:00, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

For Jim Morrison i would prefer the cause of death as 'unknown', since 'alleged heart failure' is no more certain than 'alleged heroin overdose', and both are equally used around the world - and its true, we dont know how he died

1 Bryan Ottoson
2 Dealing with the Devil
3 Robert Johnson
4 I don't see why this article should ever be deleted.
5 The Name

[edit] Bryan Ottoson

Should the former guitarirst from American Head Charge be up here? (Bryan Ottoson)

Added NjtoTX 15:13, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Dealing with the Devil

The way I always heard the myth is that they died at 27 because they sold their soul to the Devil in return for musical virtuosity, and the Devil came back to claim it. Is this actually part of the myth, and should it be included in the article?

                  it's probably untrue (!), but nonetheless part of the myth, in some versions, so it should be mentioned, since this article is, after all, more concerned with rockstar myth, than w/ reality

But it's "true" ONLY for Robert Johnson of course, its part of his myth, not part of the myth of the others

[edit] Robert Johnson

though he should be on the list i don't think he belongs to the prominent members at the top, different music, different time period, and not as well known, comments? --TimDoster 04:28, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

I've seen histories of rock (ISTR Paul Williams) begin with Robert Johnson and include the rest, and many people regard him with similar awe. But he's not in the poster. My main comment is that all this should be more sourced - who first notably used the term '27 Club', how was it popularised, what 'paranormal' explanations have been mooted etc. --87.112.5.187 15:48, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] I don't see why this article should ever be deleted.

It's a well-documented, well known part of popular culture and the history of music.--h i s s p a c e r e s e a r c h 23:29, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Agreed - Artaxeres333 (oops not logged in), 13. march 07

Yes. I have come here on my own. I didn't follow a link or pick up the term on a recent reading. To me this shows how popular this term, as a popular reference, really is.Maziotis 17:34, 8 April 2007 (UTC)