User talk:24.227.210.138

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[edit] University of Texas at Austin

Please stop adding linkspam to University of Texas at Austin. These actions will result in a ban if you do not stop. -Scm83x 10:54, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Hi there, I noticed that you made some edits to the UT website concerning cooperative housing. The problem with devoting the good part of a paragraph to coop housing is that we'll have to mention everything else - private dorms (Dobie, Castillian, etc.), university owned apartments, private apartments, and the like. The reason these things don't merit too much detail is the fact that they are either "student owned" or "privately owned," i.e., not the university's. Of course, they play a role in "Student life," which is why I've kept a mention of them. However, an extensive description including, "which provide an alternative living situation for those interested in applying democratic values to their student lifestyles," can sound like a biased, almost advertisement-like statement, which, if you'll trust my Wiki experience, will cause problems with others down the road. Thanks for your input to this article, and Hook 'em Horns! Good luck on exams! -Rebelguys2 21:00, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

Another note: I just saw your reverted edits concerning external links on the UT Austin article. The main problem with doing so is like Scm83x said - it's unnecessary. I don't quite want to call it linkspam, but, with a page the size of the UT Austin one, I think that it's unnecessary to externally link everything. If we wanted to, we could link every college, every dorm, every athletic facility, every off-campus facility - the list goes on and on. However, we have to weigh in what people will actually care about. Is a UT student wanting to get to the College of Liberal Arts page to find a degree checklist going to come to the Wikipedia article to get there? No. Are most users browsing through this page suddenly going to be interested in an external link directly to the College of Communication? Of course not. Hook 'em! -Rebelguys2 21:04, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

hey - the only reason that a good part of the paragraph was 'devoted' to coop housing, was because the 'paragraph' was but a couple sentences. would you be happy if i made a separate paragraph about it? after all (perhaps not to your knowledge), the coop residences play a huge role in student life. they are a major hub for promoting democracy, and also support ut's social scene generously (and openly, unlike the greeks), among other things. we had a party this year that almost the entire campus knew about and was talking about for weeks after. it made the news, and the newspapers... those types of things are student life. the idea here is that the coops provide more than a place to live - they provide a lifestyle (get it? student life) unlike any other housing option available to ut students. and if private dorms, university owned appts, etc want to be included (of course if it's not in an advertising way), then fine, that's more info for the readers. just b/c they havent been added yet, doesnt mean one form of student housing needs to be discluded. also, my discription was hardly extensive - it was two measly sentences. and what i wrote is not biased. ive had much experience with the coops, and what i said is true. about the links to the colleges - just because it's unnecessary doesnt mean it's not useful. of course we dont need to link every this and that - you're right, it's clutter - but the academic colleges are not too specific to be linked, as, say, a degree checklist would be (but thanks for the bogus example..). if they are worth mentioning, they are worth linking to. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.227.210.138 (talk • contribs).

  • Regarding External Links. If you review my earlier comment, you'll notice that I never said that we should link directly to degree plans. I was giving an example of someone never having to use the UT Austin Wikipedia article as a directory to get to the College of Liberal Arts website. Wikipedia is not a mirror or a repository of links, images, or media files. What I gave was hardly a bogus example.
  • Regarding Housing Cooperatives. There's a link to housing cooperative on the page now. The sheer mention of housing cooperatives is enough to tell the reader that students live together in a "democratic" housing situation. If the user doesn't know what a housing cooperative is, then they can click on a link. As far as the rest, of course it supports the social scene generously. People get together in all kinds of situations, in houses, in Greek houses, in apartments - even in dorms, on occasion. Do we really need to state that cooperative housing has a "party this year that almost the entire campus knew about?" No. -Rebelguys2 05:35, 14 December 2005 (UTC)


haha, this is fun. yeah, i put the link to housing cooperatives up (im guessing you knew that, but it's not obvious from what you've said above). i think we've found common ground here. which is exactly what wiki is all about. now we can all live together in harmony!!1eleven! uh, no pun intened.. good luck on exams and all - im going to need a miracle

edidted to add: obviously the university's enrollment exceeds on-campus housing capacity... it says the number of students at the beginning of student life, and says the (much smaller) capacity of on-campus housing. http://www.frontiernet.net/~joe14580/captain%20obvious.jpg

Personally, the University vs. university thing is a small one that I haven't even looked into. At the moment, my attention is directed elsewhere. First, I would warn you against personal attacks, no matter how veiled (e.g. your Captain Obvious jpg). Being vicious or insinuating that someone is less than intelligent serves no purpose here and is highly unwelcome and looked down upon. Personally, I view the short comparison between the on-campus housing numbers and the total enrollment to be a transition. It is a completely valid one, and a very minor point to get hung up over. Thanks. -Scm83x 18:49, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

let's just say the two of you have given me a proper introduction to the practices (which seem to be) common amongst the wikipedia community. thanks for keeping the ropes sturdy while i feel my way around. about the captain obvious image - in most of the online communities ive participated in, things like that are not taken (even close to) seriously. never the less, my bad for making the assumption that things would be the same here. anyhow, i look forward to making an account here and perhaps bumping into you two somewhere else in cyberspace. take care

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