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So far (months), this IP address has been stable for me, even when reseting the cable modem/router (and it most probably isn't shared). 24.22.227.53 22:59, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

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Hope to see more of you! Karol 19:58, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Non-gene reproduction

Some questions (I wouldn't mind answers on my talk page if anyone knows of them):

1) Other molecules can reproduce, and probably even reproduce in stages. Are analogs present in memetic theories?

2) How much differentiation goes on between symbolic (physical, vocal, etc...) representations of memes, and memes themselves?

3) How much do the default personality and cognitive characteristics of individual memeticists (and memeticists in general) color memetic theory?

4) Genes die out, but some still have effects (because or in spite of dying) on the genes which remain or are newly created (this can be species or inter-species), is this represented in memetic theories?

5) Which came first: the gene or the organism/shell which houses the gene? Substitute meme for gene. (And don't try to literally figure out which came first, this is a memtic question, not a question of genetics)

6) By assuming the equivalence between "gene" and "meme", is this begging the question? (The question being language, ideas, etc... as discussed in Talk:Meme#Memes and Memetics vs Diffusion of Innovations) 24.22.227.53 22:23, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

1)DNA is the molecule in which genes are stored, therefore the memetic equivalent of DNA is neurons and their connections. Whether memes are restircited to this (particularly human neurons) is basically the point I raise above about memes in non-human animals and other sotrage systems such as books and computers.
2)There is no differentiation, memes are symbolic in that they do not refer to an ontologically discrete set of neurons, just as genes do not refer to a discrete region of DNA.
3)I would assume that memeticists have significant influence on memetic theory.
4)I don't know if it is represented in memetic theory, but reduction in fitness of one meme will obviously have some influence on the fitness of others.
5)By definition they would both originate at the same time.
6)I don't think this question makes sense.
Your questions infer a possible misunderstanding of the term gene. The gene that a meme is analogous to refers to any genetic information responsible for a particular trait (used more in evolutionary biology). You may be confusing this with a gene refering to a specific region of DNA that codes for a particular protein (sometimes called a cistron and used more in molecular biology). You may conclude that if the trait in question is a protein, then the word would mean the same thing. However, other regions of DNA will effect the protein in addition to the DNA that codes for it. Kernow 19:19, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
What I mean about question 5 is kind of answered in the wording of your question:
"Which came first: the meme or the shell which houses the meme?"
A 'shell which houses a meme' must originate at the same time as the meme it houses. If you are refering to the shell, regardless of whether it houses a meme or not, then the shell must originate first.
As for "whether the concept of memes (as derived from genes) is the best way to represent what it is memes attempt to explain". The evolutionary biology gene that I described is a very simple concept. It is basically just a replicator with the potential for beneficial mutation. This is probably the most fundamental description of memes, so although they will inevitably exhibit some differences in behaviour, they are ultimately the same. If you haven't read the Selfish Gene by Richard Dawkins I would strongly advise doing so. Once you understand how genes in the evolutionary sense behave, it will all seem a lot clearer. I've put some of my ideas about evolution online here, the first section (entitled Evolution) should be applicable to genes, memes and artificial replicators. Please let me know what you think or any disgreements you have. Thanks, Kernow 15:28, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Please register

(A). You can do more as a registered user (e.g. Upload images, eventually edit semi-protected pages and move them) (B). It makes your edits look more suspicious (C). IP addresses can't climb the Wikipedia success ladder

GangstaEB EA (comments welcome!) 13:06, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

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