User talk:217.34.159.45

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[edit] AMCO Sports Personality Of The Year

Hi there

Thanks for the message on my talk page.

The thing that gets me is that why would a bathroom retailer (AMCO) sponsor a sports event? If an event did take place that required the use of "the iconic Laughterton golf course, Kings Park and the second tier pubs n clubs of the town", then surely it would gather enough attention to be included as a notable event in the Retford Times or even the local BBC/ITV News, yet I have never seen it and a search on the Retford Times website news archive and the BBC News website brings up no articles. The fact that "only Retfordians have won the title despite numerous challenges from else where" makes me suspicious, if it is a open for all tournament, why are all the winners only from Retford? The last thing that made me suspicious is that there is no evidence of "a film crew followed the SPOTY crowd" during the "ghost" tournament of 2001 anywhere on the Internet. As mentioned on the articles deletion nomination, AMCO SPOTY brings up no Google hits.

I have seen the SPOTY website, and nicely presented and well done it is, but I still have my doubts upon its authencity, especially AMCO's involvement. What involvement do AMCO have in SPOTY?

As for the personal attack you suggest, I don't make any bad comments to anyone who either created or edited the article , the whole article just seems to be a hoax, but that's my viewpoint on it and until I can see verifiable evidence, for example a news article on a notable website like the BBC or the Retford Times or a video file on a notable site, again like the BBC or Sky Sports (not YouTube or any simliar website though, anyone could post anything on there).

As for notability, well I suppose the fact that content needs to be verified comes into effect on that matter too, as I said above, and as WP:VERIFY policy states, content and articles must be able to cite a reliable source, or have their content challenged or removed. Notability also depends on the area the article is about, but for a sporting event like SPOTY, I would suggest that the event in question should be referenced on a Google search from at least one or two reliable sources, and that the events attracts media attention, which from what I can tell, SPOTY does not. Someone else in their vote suggested that Wikipedia is not for things made up in school one day, which should be a good read as to how people define what could make up an hoax and make an article non-notable.

The main point to gather over everything else is:

“ All articles need to cite sources; if you can't do that because there aren't any sources ...then your content is unverifiable. ”

I hope that answers a few things from the post you made on my talk page. --tgheretford (talk) 17:07, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

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