Talk:2012 Summer Olympics bids

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Someone told me Havana, Cuba is now a confirmed bid. is that true? -fonzy

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[edit] London/Paris probability

If London or Paris becomes the final hosted city, it would be the first triplicate in Summer Olympics. London hosted 1908 and 1948 and Paris hosted 1900 and 1924. Two other cities, Los Angeles and Athens already have duplicates, but no triplicate exists yet. With current knowledge, what is the probability that the result will be either London or Paris?? 66.32.145.143 00:45, 23 May 2004 (UTC)

Assuming the betting market has perfect knowledge, then you can get about odds of 2.0 on Paris and 3.0 on London, indicating a 83% chance of one of the two winning. But bookmakers have rounded upto 115% on this market (they like to make a profit you see), thus bringing the actual chance down to about 70%. However this is a UK bookmaker, which will have been taken "housewife" bets on London as a patriotic thing so for your purposes, I think 65% is a fair estimate. Pete/Pcb21 (talk) 01:50, 23 May 2004 (UTC)
This is incorrect. The 1906 Summer Olympics were held in Athens. After the 1904 Paris games, it was planned to hold game in Greece every four year in the middle of the regular olympiads, but this idea was scrapped. Nevertheless Athens has hosted the Olympics twice before the current Olympics. Mintguy (T)
That's simultaneously correct and incorrect. There were games held in 1906 in Athens, but the IOC considers them to be "Unofficial Olympics", so they don't really count on the same level as the official ones. Kairos 22:10, 14 Aug 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Rio de Janeiro and São Paulo

The Brazilian Olympic Committee (COB) has the final word about bids for the Olympic Games in the country. It is a long standing tradition that Brazil shall bid through one city only. Although Rio de Janeiro had always been considered the natural candidate, São Paulo insisted that it could present a better project than it would be possible for Rio to do. The COB settled the issue by a vote, in which all the registered members voted for either one of the cities. Rio de Janeiro won by a landslide and the COB submitted Rio's bid. Therefore, from an international point of view there was never a possibility of two Brazilian cities bidding for the Games, since the issue was handled iternally and São Paulo could not bid without the approval of the Brazilian Olympic Committee. Don't know if that's relevant for the article or whether this should be included, but I guess it sheds some light in the events leading to São Paulo "missing" the deadline for bidding. Redux 23:40, 13 Aug 2004 (UTC)

I find this interesting information and would like to see it somewhere. As you hint at, it might note be quite right for this article. However I think a Brazilian Olympic Committee article with a "2012 bid" section would be great. Then we could attach a short note on this page next to Sao Paulo saying see the BOC page for details. Sound good? Pcb21| Pete 00:40, 14 Aug 2004 (UTC)
It's a good idea. I shall get the article started as soon as I find some extra time to work on it. All the best, Redux 01:17, 20 Aug 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Narrowed yet??

As of this moment, are all 5 of London, UK, Paris, France, Moscow, Russia, New York City, and Madrid, Spain still possibilities for the 2012 Olympics?? 66.245.87.127 01:45, 4 Nov 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Proven??

Now there is a picture of the Olympic logo. Does this mean it has now officially been confirmed that the 2012 Olympics will be held in Paris?? Georgia guy 21:36, 25 Jan 2005 (UTC)

- huh? I don't see why the olympic logo would mean that Paris has been confirmed? The city is chosen on 6th July. Joolz 08:29, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Anti-London bid

Is it neccessary to have two links to the anti-london bid site? I think it over-emphasises the point and puts an unfair bias against london Joolz 08:29, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I agree - and it's a pretty unprofessional site, especially of you look at their guestbook. Doesn't add much to Wikipedia, I would say, unless it becomes a more notable site. --ALargeElk | Talk 11:41, 28 Jan 2005 (UTC)
There does appear to be an anti-London emphasis in this article, it's the only city that includes negative comment. I'm sure domestic opposition exists in Paris and I know it does in New York. If there's already a link to the anti-London bid in the main body, I don't see why it should be repeated at the bottom.--Ayrshire--77 08:23, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Page has been mangled

What has happened in the last couple of days (see this diff)? It appears 63.202.178.253 has completely re-written the article, and changed quite a bit of info in it. I think the old one was better, but I'll mention it on the anon's talk page before making changes - what do others think of the re-written article? -- Chuq 22:22, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Template for winner

When the winner is announced it might be an idea to copy the victor's {{2012 Olympic bid}} call into this article for consistency. violet/riga (t) 5 July 2005 22:43 (UTC)

[edit] Bid Evaluations

This section is misleading as it does not report on the final bid reviews by the IOC. The section currently only reports on the original bids and the first IOC evaluation to create the shortlist. The shortlisted cities then created their final bid and this was evaluated by the ICO commission. This section does not report on this, now creating the appearance that the IOC made a somewhat illogical decision in selecting the London bid that scored markedly lower than the Paris bid. Although the final IOC evaluation did not provide scores, it was clear that London's evaluation had improved considerably and was much closer to Paris'. This was both observed in the French and British press at the time and also lead to London closing the gap with Paris on the GamesBid Index.

[edit] GA review

Right off the bat, I see that there are a lot of fair use images and none of them have rationales. However, the article is well-written and it is also well-sourced, although the trivia section should go. The note about questioning the security of Madrid could go in the Madrid section, and the note about Singapore could go in the final selection process section, although I'm not sure if it is needed. I'll place it on hold for the time being so you can consider my suggestions. -- Scorpion 15:44, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for reviewing the article. It must have slipped my mind to check for FURs, but I've done them. It was just the Olympic logos that were the problem. As well, I removed the trivia section; I found it rather "trivial" myself when I first saw the article, but have now reintegrated the material: the terrorism paragraph is in the Madrid section and the part about the flower was put as a comment of the image and placed in the final selection section. Thank you for your suggestions, again. └Jared┘┌talk┐  19:34, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
Alright then, I grant this article GA status. -- Scorpion 22:34, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Madrid Votes?

Hi, reading this page I've noticed that Madrid actually got more votes in round 3 than either Paris or London, but it's not mentioned or explained in the text that I can see... is there any reason for this strange vote, is it incorrect and either way does it deserve a mention? Thanks 80.47.113.150 20:27, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

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