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[edit] Deletion

This will happen, it's just a question of how (and when) the events unfold. There's nothing to hurt by setting up the stub and then, as the numbers of slots are announced, etc., starting to populate the article. —C.Fred (talk) 13:05, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Don't delete it, it's just pointless and perdantic to do so, it will just be re-created. Philc TECI 20:25, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Do you feel the same about the continental qualification pages? Kingjeff 22:53, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Question

QUESTION: When are the qualifying draws to be made for each of these competitions? 07:48, June 23, 2006 84.12.116.197

I don't know. Kingjeff 12:51, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

I think the draw will be about two years before the end of qualifying. The qualifying draw will be about Dec. 2007 and the Finals draw will be in Dec. 2009. (I'm pretty sure.) 130.91.147.151 20:47, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

I think because qualification is continental, there will be a few draws. 1 for each confederation. Kingjeff 22:56, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Last time all the draws were made at once, about 1 year after the previous World Cup, it will likely have been made before September 2007, as that is when the first matches will probably be (2006 qualifying started in September 2003) - MTC 20:51, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Qualified teams table

There is currently a table listing the currently qualified teams for the 2010 World Cup, but it's my understanding that qualification hasn't even begun yet. It seems most qualification processes do not start until 2007 and even then the team has to make it through the confederation's qualification process before it can be "qualified". The idea of a qualified team table that can change seems rather askew. --Rballou 19:04, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Seems someone is already working on that... so nevermind :) --Rballou 19:05, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
The way I see it, the table should be for teams that are already qualified...meaning their spot is clinched and nothing short of sanctions from FIFA will take it away. That would be...well, only the hosts right now. Everybody else is still pending their confederation qualifying...and in some cases, a playoff game even beyond that (see OFC). So, setting the table up to be ready is okay, but I think there will only be one team in it for another two to three years. —C.Fred (talk) 19:18, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

A few issues: If South Africa have been in the finals twice before, how come they only have one 'previous appearance'? And I like the recently reverted idea of having a 'best result' column. It fills out the page more and gives relevant info. I'm going to go ahead and add their 1998 appearance, but I'll wait for a response concerning why the revert happened before I do anything else. - Aheyfromhome 18:35, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

In the context of the table, 'Previous Appearance' is a very misleading title for that column. Surely there should be something else which is less confusable? How do you feel about 'Latest Appearance'? - Aheyfromhome 16:18, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
I couldn't agree more. I was merely following precedent set by previous FWC qualification articles. If you would change this one, and previous ones, that'd be fantastic. Thanks in advance! If you have any questions, please contact me at my talk page. Ian Manka 05:13, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Berths

When will FIFA announce the distributions of berths —The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:{{{1}}}|{{{1}}}]] ([[User talk:{{{1}}}|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/{{{1}}}|contribs]]).

Going by IanManka's edits, they just have. [1]. Although I don't think the 2010 FIFA World Cup qualification (UEFA) etc. articles need to be linked yet - not until there is more detail, so much detail that this page is overcrowded. -- Chuq 05:30, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] African qualifying

The article at FIFA.com says the African qualifying starts 13/14 October 2007. To me it looks like they mean the 2010 Cup of Nations qualifying will be linked to the World Cup qualifying, as by then the 2008 Cup of Nations Quailfuing will be finished. If it was linked to the 2008 Cup of Nations then the teams that didn't enter the 2008 Cup of Nations will not be given a chance to qualify for the World Cup, it doesn't seem logical for FIFA to do that.

In short, the article doesn't state which Cup of Nations qualifying will be linked to the 2010 World Cup qualifying, and it would be more logical to assume it means the 2010 Cup of Nations quailfying.I'm not sure what the article should say to reflect this though. - MTC 06:54, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

How about Angola? As host of 2010 African Cup, they qualify automatically to the finals. How will they play the qualifying to the World Cup then?--Nitsansh 00:45, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
Presumably the same it worked for Egypt in 2006: they'll play just like everybody else, and if they finish in the top three of their World Cup qualifying group, the fourth-place team gets their African Cup of Nations slot. I.e. the qualifying tournament is for the World Cup, and ACoN berths are a side effect. The converse of the question is the more interesting one: since South Africa has a slot into the World Cup already, how will they qualify for ACoN? —C.Fred (talk) 01:20, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
In a similar way, South Africa will probably play in the qualifiers anyway, and if they win their group the team who came 2nd will quailfy for the WC. - MTC 06:28, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
I second that view. Because of the dual purpose of African qualifying, the tradition is that everybody is included and then qualifiers are taken from the top of the groups as required (host teams are therefore passed by, and the team below them in the group gets a place) - aheyfromhome 12:42, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
Its possible that the CAF will automatically grant South Africa a place in the tournament. Granted the South Africans might want to have competitive football, but surely this would contravene any Fifa rules regarding their participation? It would seem slightly harsh for a team who has already qualified for the World Cup to inflict results on teams and thus put them out of another competition with greater significance. This conflict of interests would surely mean that South Africa would be given an automatic spot for the CAN in 2010 and won't have to go through the qualification process. Gaijin84 21:46, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Unjustification

Personally FIFA was unfair with the berth distribution. I would give

UEFA-13.5

AFC-4

CONCACAF - 3

OFC-1.

CAF-5(-1 Host South Africa automatically qualify)

CONMEBOL -5 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 72.139.19.189 (talk) 02:00, 14 December 2006 (UTC).


FIFA have a complex coefficient ranking system that takes into account confederation performance in the World Cup. All the confederations seem to be happy with this. I don't think these kind of opinions are what the talk page is for, so someone superior will probably delete this anyway. (And since Australia are now part of AFC, I think giving 1.5 berths to OFC is a bit much ;-) ) -aheyfromhome 18:06, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
There is no coefficient ranking for World Cup Qualifying. You probably refer to the formula that determines the seeds for the World Cup Finals draw, which is based on World Cup performance combined with FIFA ranking.
Oh yeah. I didn't really think that through. Everyone has their own opinions on this, so the Executive Committee decision was probably a compromise. -aheyfromhome 12:19, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Allocation of berths among the confederations is a matter of wheeling and dealing by FIFA and confederations officials, and has little to do with World Cup performance. There is no sportive reason to reduce Europe's share after the last WC had an all-European semifinal.--Nitsansh 01:24, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

The berths haven't changed from the last World Cup. The only difference is that the host is now in Africa. I suppose that you can't have too many European teams in the finals or other confederations wouldn't get much of a chance to have a good World Cup! -aheyfromhome 12:19, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
The last time Europe had 13 places was 1994, when there were 24 teams in the WC final. Europe's share was increased to 15 in 1998 and 2002, went down to 14 in 2006, and next time it's back to 13. Actually, in 2002 Europe got its 15th team via an inter-continental play-off with Asia, but now they don't even get a chance for a 14th spot. European teams won all play-off matches against other continents with the exception of 1974, when USSR forfited their match against Chile after Pinoxet's revolution.--Nitsansh 22:45, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
It's true that Europe hasn't been getting any weaker, but in the last decade-or-so other confederations have improved and been more competitive than they were. There are only a limited number of berths available of course, so the extra places they have earned have to come from somewhere. UEFA is still getting 41% of the qualifying places for 27% of the entrants. -aheyfromhome 13:52, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
How about COMNEBOL (South America)? They are guarantied that 40% of its members qualify to the WC Finals, and possibly 50% if its 5th team wins the play off (this time against a CONCACAF team). UEFA's membership has increased by at least 15 members since 1994, but they get the same amount of qualifyers!--Nitsansh 21:25, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

I see your point. That is a large proportion of COMNEBOL teams. But then maybe that is because COMNEBOL have a high proportion of teams which have World Cup winning class? Fair enough, it is only Brazil and Argentina that are, but in terms of WC berths COMNEBOL has 2 places for those 2 teams and then 2 places for others. If we look over to Europe there are roughly 8 potential WC winners. They take 8 berths and then 5 extra berths are for the others. It's all very subjective though.--aheyfromhome 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Also, the playoff formats have been altered slightly, with CONCACAF facing off against COMMEBOL for a spot, and the Oceanian qualifier to travel to Asia, where they will compete in the final round of qualification (most likely a League system). If you have any questions, please contact me at my talk page. Ian Manka 22:42, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New UEFA qualifing process

How about putting the 54(montenagro & gilbitar?) into 13 groups some may have 5 . They play home and away and the top team qualifies.

it would cut alot of time and is more effective. It would save alot of time

This page is really for discussion of the article; it isn't a forum. -- Chuq 23:07, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Gibraltar

Hey do any you know if Gilbitar is a member of fifa?

In Gibraltar national football team, the second sentence states "It is not a member of FIFA or UEFA .. " -- Chuq 23:07, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
Gibraltar was voted a provisional member of UEFA on the 8th of December. Gibraltar's application for full membership is set to be discussed at UEFA's Congress in Dusseldorf this month. Search for 'gibraltar' on fifa.com and you'll see the press release. - aheyfromhome 16:10, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] UEFA/OFC/AFC qualification

[Fifa article]

Nothing really new regarding what we knew before. I am almost certain that the AFC qualifying will follow the same format as the year before, only (as stated in the entry) that there will be two groups of five teams in the last group phase. After the poor showing in the last qualification, this seems most likely. The top 2 of each will qualify directly with the two third teams playing off for the last spot.

However the article states that the 5th AFC spot will be available via a play-off with the winners of the OFC qualification round. My former understanding was that the winner of the OFC Nations Cup went into the final round with 9 other pre-qualified AFC sides. If anyone can explicitly confirm the exact qualification process for the OFC that would be great.

Also depending on the number of entrants into the AFC qualification (marginal ones such as Brunei, Bhutan, Guam etc), the specific number of teams who will compete is not exactly definite until all applications have been accepted by Fifa after the 1st of March.

With 53 teams almost certainly in the UEFA section, it seems most likely that it will follow the same rules as 2006 with this time 5 groups of 7 and 3 groups of 6. This means 8 direct group winners, 2 best runners up and 3 playoff winners. Given the exact number of teams and number of spots, this seems the only really logical process. Gaijin84 21:37, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

There are rumours that the OFC nation WILL NOT be entering the AFC group stage. The article referenced here notes that the AFC will have "a fifth berth also available via a play-off with the winners of the Oceania Zone" (the article also notes the OFC group will find a winner and a runner-up, which suggests that the OFC will have an additional phase - a final - like last time. This could, as ever, be the result of someone assuming that what happened last time will happen again). The rumours about the lack of OFC inclusion in the AFC group phase were apparently in Japanese newspapers a couple of weeks ago - but I have not personally seen them or been given a link. 203.194.33.114 23:30, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
I think that the OFC winner will wind up in the final stage of the AFC. Strangely enough if you look at the calendar on the OFC website ([2]) it has a Preliminary round on the 8th of September with 10 more dates confirmed. I think they initally planned to have a playoff for the 10th member out of the 11 and then have two groups of five with a final playoff. This seems to have been scrapped by converting the Pacific Games into a preliminary stage that is being played weeks beforehand (makes sense.) Well with the AFC entrants confirmed (or at least so far - there are possiblities that more will pull out for whatever reason) it looks as if should the AFC employ the 9 finalists plus OFC winner then they will go with a similar(ish) system as last year. My gut instinct tells me that the AFC do not want a repeat of the last WC, where it turned out to be rather poor (contrast to the previous qualifications with larger groups which were more exciting.) Therefore I would anticipate 9 groups of 4, with a pre-qualifying system. If you check out the calendar of events on the AFC website for 2008 ([3]) you will see that there are 6 dates marked for WC qualifying, which would suggest 6 matches. I reckon these required 36 teams will be slimmed down by 6 playoff matches amongst the weakest 12 teams in the confederation. Should be interesting to see if East Timor and Myanmar can make their World Cup bows. But still, I reckon any info on the process should be taken with a pinch of salt until confirmed by both Fifa or the respective confederation Gaijin84 00:12, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] No of entrants

Okay, I've shifted the bit about the number of entrants and added some more info from the article - as I think its quite relevant. I think its best to have the introductory blerb and then go into the ins and outs of the actual different stages involving all of those teams. Let me know if it needs changing or more info removed or added. Gaijin84 15:27, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

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