Talk:2-8-0
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[edit] delisted
Lack of inline cites; arguably lack of broad coverage--Ling.Nut 21:41, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Too much detail on Australia?
Is the section on Australian 2-8-0s too long?
If every other country had such detail on their various classes of 2-8-0 locomotives, this would end up being an extremely long article. I note also that there is no linking to articles on other pages. Eg, Victorian Railways 2-8-0 locomotives are described, but instead of a link to the Victorian Railways K class there is a comment that these locomotives "are described elsewhere".
I feel that unless there is something very compelling about a certain country's implementation of a particular locomotive type (eg, Great Britain's various record-breaking Pacifics) that justifies the extra verbage, the country-specific description should perhaps be kept to a paragraph or two at most and all the various detail described in other, more specific pages (eg individual pages on locomotive classes).
Zzrbiker 23:15, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
- Seems reasonable to me. Links to the relevant class articles should be used where appropriate. Slambo (Speak) 11:50, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
Hi guys, I constructed the Australian section. For a country that operated hundreds of 2-8-0s on various state and private railways in numerous classes(well after the USA and UK abolished steam)and for Aussie workshops that re-built these locos in numerous guages and still has operational 2-8-0s, I figured the 'land-down-under' deserves a bit of coverage. There are comments the 2-8-0 article was too USA-centric. Is it now to Aussie-centric? God is this because we beat everyone in the cricket? ( I loath cricket). I might point out that the overall article lacks citations - I also put in the bits about Swengel's book and the first 2-8-0 orders and the evolution of the loco from the 0-8-0, which contradicts several other uncited claims in the article. As I'm a new comer to Wikipedia I'm unsure of the linking process to other articles - would appreciate some help there. Tonyob 07:50, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
- Nothing wrong with a "bit" of coverage. Key issue here is that we should be aiming to restore this article to Good Article status, and taking note of the criteria according to Wikipedia:What is a good article?. Point 3b: "it stays focused on the main topic without going into unnecessary details (no non-notable trivia)" is probably not being adhered to when we list all of the builders of the NSWGR T class - and the numbers of the locomotive that each built - in a general article on the 2-8-0 locomotive type.
- Similarly, it would be of little interest or value for someone from an international audience researching different locomotive types to know that an inexpensive HO model of the V class is available, or read a short history of the superheater arrangements and boiler pressures of the NSWGR J class. This is the sort of information that should be spun off into a separate article on the NSWGR J class, where for someone researching that locomotive such information is of value. If no articles exist on the NSWGR J class, perhaps you could write one or request one be written (see Wikipedia:WikiProject_Trains/Todo/Write).
- If articles already exist on the locomotives, just link to them by using the double square bracket tags, eg. [[4-8-2]] renders as 4-8-2. If you're new to all of this, please note the Wikipedia:Sandbox for testing your edits.
- While it's good to see your facts being supported with references, could I also suggest that you note the Wikipedia guidelines for citation of references, particularly Wikipedia:Footnotes. Zzrbiker 02:14, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
Zzrbiker - thanks for the constructive comments. I'm happy for the Aussie sub section to be tightened and edited. Thanks also for the direction on linking and where to find citations. Will improve my stuff. Tonyob 07:35, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
