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These are the next fifty messages (after the ones in Archive 1) that appeared on my talk page. If you'd like to respond to any of these messages, please do so on my current set of talk page messages, located at User talk:1ne.

Contents 1 Awolf002 RfA 2 friendly request for clarification 3 Response 4 News from Esperanza 5 FYI 6 Adminship 7 WP:TINMC 8 Alert, Nunavut 9 W.marsh's RfA 10 Freestylefrappe's RfC 11 Izehar's RfA 12 Would you be able to take a look at this? 13 Happy New Year 14 First edit anniversary 15 Duplicate effort? 16 Baseball on Wikicities 17 Newspapers used instead of blogs 18 Sysop training 19 Just a general admin note... 20 Entry on Steve Jobs 21 My RfA 22 Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2006 Pacific typhoon season 23 Steve Jobs Birthplace 24 KDRGibby 25 You're now an admin. on Wikicities 26 thanks! 27 Your RfA vote 28 blocking without warning 29 Succesful RfA 30 An Esperanzial note 31 NASCAR rules 32 dates 33 Regarding dates 34 Evidently not 35 Please 36 Babe Ruth 37 3RR 38 Aranda56 (talk • contribs) 39 RFA 40 New Sports Wiki 41 Image Tagging Image:Pascal.jpeg 42 Expos 43 London, England 44 Another Esperanzial note... 45 WKRP closing theme lyrics. 46 Blanking of your page 47 AfD 48 RFA Thanks 49 Since you asked... 50 The atheism userbox

Awolf002 RfA

Thank you very much for your support for my RfA. I will do everything I can to justify your trust in me. Awolf002 03:31, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

friendly request for clarification

Hi, I'm totally new to Wikipedia, so I'm probably violating all kinds of etiquette at this very moment, for which I apologize, but I just wanted to ask about your comment on my edits on the Cabrini-Green page.

You wrote, "oh god, don't put that, even if you think you're 'helping out'!"

I just wanted to clarify--were you referring to the actual content (i.e., adding a section on tenant activism, which maybe was not totally NPOV), or were you referring to my, uh, "editorial" note--I actually wrote in the page "(need more here!)".....?

I'm thinking it was the latter, since you removed that, and Karmafist added a template thingy (?).

I had looked for the correct format for a section that needed more data (because I knew that tenant activism had started decades earlier, but only had details post-1996) but not found the correct format. So, just to verify, in the future, I should put what Karmafist did? ("expand section," in double squiggly brackets)

Sorry to be such a rank newbie.

Thanks much

vcrs

Response

(Do I respond here, or on my own talk page? I think here, but if I'm mistaken, feel free to delete this and let me know.)

No apology is necessary, but you are very kind to offer one. I'm always glad to learn more.

Vcrs 05:04, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

News from Esperanza

Hello, fellow Esperanzians! This is just a friendly reminder that elections for Administrator General and two advisory council positions have just begun. Voting will last until Friday, December 30, so make sure you exercise your right to vote! Also, I'm pleased to announce the creation of the Esperanza mailing list. I urge all members to join; see Wikipedia:Esperanza/Contact for more information. All you need to do is email me and I will activate your account. This will be a great way to relax, stay in touch, and hear important announcements. Thanks! Flcelloguy (A note?)

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FYI

User talk:Zzyzx11/RFA nomination records#Idea? Zzyzx11 (Talk) 06:15, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

• No problem. Keep in mind that it is only an experiment right now. I might revert it back to 50, keep it at 70, or do what Lord Voldemort suggested: 60. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 06:19, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Adminship

Hi WikiFanatic, on my talk page someone I've worked with on Wikpedia for a while, K1Bond007, offered to nominate me for adminship. Since he's seen my contributions up close, it's probably better if he nominates me. I'll let you know when I do run for admin. Thanks! Jacoplane 16:24, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

WP:TINMC

Hi, you're down as being an an active cabalist. Is that still true? There are plenty of cases awaiting mediator response, please drop by if you can! Dan100 (Talk) 10:59, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Alert, Nunavut

You deleted the lik to Awake, Nunavut, saying that you were sure it was a joke. However, I have actually seen Awake on a world map. Thanks, ςפקιДИτς ☺ ☻ 16:42, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

W.marsh's RfA

Thank you for your support (and nomination!) on my RfA. The final outcome was (30/2/0). I will do my best at the position I now am in. Thanks again! --W.marsh 04:36, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

I did not vote against you're RFA. Perhaps you ought to go back and review that. The fact that you dont like that I have voiced opposition to your being an admin in the past is irrelevant. If you want attention, this is all you're getting. Since you will undoubtedly feel a need to express yourself, please post it on my talkpage so I can promptly revert it. freestylefrappe 05:24, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

Freestylefrappe's RfC

Just a quick note regarding the ordering of outside views: I believe the correct order is chronological (newer views towards the bottom, older views towards the top). I've resorted your entry on Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Freestylefrappe for you, so no worries. =) —Locke Cole 06:34, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

Izehar's RfA

Would you be able to take a look at this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_mediation#Conservative_RV_Wars

I saw your name on the mediation cabal--sansvoix 04:12, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Happy New Year

For last year's words belong to last year's language

And next year's words await another voice.

And to make an end is to make a beginning.

T.S. Eliot, "Little Gidding"

Happy New Year! ≈ jossi ≈ t • @ 20:24, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

First edit anniversary

Duplicate effort?

Hey, WikiFanatic. At Wikipedia:Esperanza/Programs we're doing something similar, an Admin coaching program, so how about we team up instead? We could accomplish the same thing faster if we worked together. Titoxd^{(?!? - help us)} 02:24, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Baseball on Wikicities

Hello WikiFanatic, Googie Man here and I want to ask you something as a fellow baseball fan on Wikipedian. Jimbo and Angela have made a new webstie called Wikicities. This link in particular will take you to the baseball Wikicity. As you'll see it's similar to Wikipedia, but my hope is this will allow baseball fans to do more and different things, like reporting on games, in depth statistics, create mulitple pages for pictures, and whatever else baseball fans care to create. You've done great work on Wikipedia and I was hoping you could help get this baseball Wikicity off the ground. Please let me know what you think either at my talk page, or you can email me at terry@wikia.com. Thanks! Googie Man^(Talk), 15:48, 5 January 2006 (UTC).

Newspapers used instead of blogs

I would like your feedback on the use of newspapers as a source instead of blogs. In the case of the Robert Clark Young article, I have found newspaper sources that cover much of the same material as the blogs that have been used in the article. When I replaced the blog sources with the newspaper sources, Alabamaboy reverted every single one of my edits. Also, very strangely, he accused me on the discussion page of being Mr. Young himself!

This is the Wikipedia Guideline I am trying to follow with my edits:

"Publications with teams of fact-checkers, reporters, editors, lawyers, and managers — like the New York Times or The Times of London — are likely to be reliable, and are regarded as reputable sources for the purposes of Wikipedia. At the other end of the reliability scale lie personal websites, weblogs (blogs), bulletin boards, and Usenet posts, which are not acceptable as sources."

Thus, I have replaced the blog sources with newspaper sources. Again, let me stress that this has not led to much change in the text of the article itself--what I'm trying to do here is change the nature of the sources so that they themselves comply with Wikipedia Guidelines.

Could Alabamaboy and I get some feedback on this? I wonder if you could go over to the Robert Clark Young history and compare both versions of the sourcing--the one using newspapers, and the one using blogs. Thank you. Berenise 01:46, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

First off, I apologize for Berenise's comment being spammed upon so many user's talk pages. However, since Berenise already placed it here I wanted you to be aware that there are three reasons the article was reverted: 1) Berenise made the changes despite a lack of consensus and my objections on the Talk:Robert Clark Young. In short, the online references are refered to in the newspaper and print articles, making the online sources primary sources. The article also has many print sources which complement and add to the online sources. 2) The edits made the article less NPOV b/c they removed opposing viewpoints. While these references may be online, they are from credible named sources who are considered experts in their respected areas. 3) There is a strong possibility that Berenise is Robert Clark Young. Young previously edited the article about himself and most of Berenise's edits since coming to Wikipedia have been to the Young article. I'm trying to clear this up with Berenise; once she proves she is not Young I'd love to get opinions from other editors about this situation. For full details, see Talk:Robert Clark Young.--Alabamaboy 01:53, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Sysop training

Karmafist told Me that You train or You're thinking of training potental sysop candidates. Is this true? -- Eddie 20:34, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

WikiFanatic, I think for the better good, Eddie should be directed to us at Esperanza. NSLE _(T+C) 00:57, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Just a general admin note...

If you're going to block someone indefinitely for copyright violations, it's usually a good idea to post on WP:AN/I afterward, explaining that you've done so. I've done so for you, at WP:AN/I#PackerFan1000322 blocked indefinitely for uploading copyrighted photos. Ral315 (talk) 23:51, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Entry on Steve Jobs

I would like to see some references for the claim that Steve Jobs was born in Green Bay, WI insted of San Francisco, CA. Afaik, every source I can find on the internet (which includes books) state that he was born in San Francisco not Green Bay. I also noticed you protected the page. I don't want to turn this into a 'revert war', and you are an administrator, but I would still like to see some references. Also see my comment in the :talk page on Steve Jobs.

I would also like an explanation on the editing of the quote mentioned in the article from "Do you want to spend the rest of your life selling sugared water, or do you want a chance to change the world?" to "Do you want to spend the rest of your life selling sugared water, or do you want a chance to puncture a hole in the universe?". This also seems like a fallacy to me. --Bruce 19:45, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

The exact quote (from the book "Odyssey: Pepsi to Apple: A Journey of Adventure, Ideas, and the Future" by John Sculley, John A. Byrne) was: "Do you want to spend the rest of your life selling sugared water or do you want a chance to change the world?"

As Sculley was the person to whom the remark was made, his account is presumably the correct one. -chumleyk

My RfA

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2006 Pacific typhoon season

You have nominated the article, but it looks like it got never listed on the AfD page. Do you still want to delete it? It's 2006 already :) Renata 08:52, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

I'm speedy keeping it, WikiFanatic, it never at any time did not meet WP:NOT, and it is a current event. NSLE _(T+C) 09:10, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Steve Jobs Birthplace

Please note the following from the Jobs discussion page:

Placeof Birth

I have changed the place of birth from Green Bay, Wisconsin to San Francisco, California (see: http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051204/GPG0101/512040591/1207/GPGnews).

His sister, Mona Simpson, was born in Green Bay. But not Jobs. - douga6

thanks for the corrections, guys. --Yoasif 04:04, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

I believe he wasn't born in Green Bay, but the article here on Wikipedia says he was. Which means either the BBC, the book iCon ^pdf, this book, several others, and off course CNN are wrong OR he wasn't born in Green Bay like WikiFanatic states. I could probably find out somehow, maybe by checking out the necessary information from the California Office of Vital Records (like the mentioned article did). Either convince me that this man was born in Green Bay by using certifiable references (hereby proving all the previously mentioned sources forgot to do some serious fact-checking), or state that this man was born in freaking San Francisco like so many others seem to believe Oh and now suddenly nobody wants to pu(n)cture a hole in the universe? --Bruce 18:51, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

--California Office of Vital Records show he was indeed born in San Francisco on Feb 24, 1955. I corrected main article but someone changed it back to Green Bay. If you want it in his own words, see Smithsonian Oral History (http://americanhistory.si.edu/collections/comphist/sj1.html#tools) - douga6

I have been to the Vital Records dept and this is accurate. Why the change? Please read the Green Bay Press Gazette story above. Also the Smithsonian Oral History transcript. Many thanks.- douga6

Thank you, Wikifanatic. I appreciate your prompt action.- douga6 (Incidentally, I think the message you left was meant for Bruce above, not for me. I never questioned the protection).

KDRGibby

I see that you are on a f***cked off wiki break, :) but I unprotected this user's talk page since I received an email from him about it. Also no 3rrs on talk pages. --a.n.o.n.y.m ^t 06:42, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

You're now an admin. on Wikicities

Hey WikiFanatic/IndiansFan, just wanted to let you know that you're now an admin. on Wikicities. Googie man 13:54, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

thanks!

I graciously accept. I'll get to answering the questions!--Urthogie 13:45, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

Your RfA vote

Hi WikiFanatic. I am sorry that I offended you by citing a low edit count in my oppose vote in your own RfA. I won't try and convince you to change your vote, but I would just like to clear the air - I don't think I have an extreme case of editcountitis - I've supported people with 1,500 edits, and opposed people with over 10,000.

But when you were on RfA, yours was pretty low, and over a pretty long period, which is why I voted as I did. I can see how it would give you an impression of editcountitis, though. Anyway. I have seen you around quite a bit since your RfA was succesful, and you've been doing really well, which shows what I know. Proto t c 15:11, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

blocking without warning

Is that how we do things now? I admit it's been a while since I was regularly active in the area of blocking.Geni 12:56, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

I know you have been active since I left this message. Blocking people then refuseing to comunicate with them is not common practice on wikipedia.Geni 07:40, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Sorry means that you would not do it again in future. You know that the last edit I made was to the talk page. You know that I hadn't edited the the page it self for 10 minutes when you hit me with the block which considering the previous intensity of the revert war suggests I was leaveing it alone at that point (in fact I was halfway through writeing a further talk page comment when you blocked me but no matter). You know your block was outside policy. Your support appears to have come from an unloged IRC channel. The normal approach would have been to bring it to Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents and try and get support or otherwise for your actions. You did not. In summery you carried out an out of process block on an admin (probably the most effective way to trigger a wheel war know although you did get lucky there) refused attempts to comunicate and failed to try and disscuss your actions with the wider community. Try to do better in future.Geni 21:25, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Succesful RfA

An Esperanzial note

As I remember, the last spam that was handed out was on the 20th of December last year, so I think it's time for another update. First and foremost, the new Advisory Council and Administrator General have been elected. They consist of myself as Admin General and FireFox, Titoxd, Flcelloguy and Karmafist as the Advisory Council. We as a group met formally for the first time on the 31st of Decembe. The minutes of this meeting can be found at WP:ESP/ACM. The next one is planned for tonight (Sunday 29 January) at 20:30 UTC and the agenda can be found at WP:ESP/ACM2.

In other news, Karmafist has set up a discussion about a new personal attack policy, which it can be found here. Other new pages include an introductory page on what to do when you sign up, So you've joined Esperanza... and a welcome template: {{EA-welcome}} (courtesy of Bratsche). Some of our old hands may like to make sure they do everything on the list as well ;) Additionally, the userpage award program proposal has become official is operational: see Wikipedia:Esperanza/User Page Award to nominate a userpage or volunteer as a judge. Also see the proposed programs page for many new proposals and old ones that need more discussion ;)

Other than that, I hope you all had a lovely Christmas and wish you an Esperanzially good new WikiYear :D Thank you! --Celestianpower ^háblame 16:57, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
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NASCAR rules

I am considering nominating the article NASCAR rules for deletion, since it has a lot of redundant information from other articles. But, first, I would like to invite you to see if it could be improved. Click here to help.--Esprit15d 14:32, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

dates

WP:DATE. my understanding of this is that editors can enter dates in the format with which they are most comfortable. the display format for dates is an option in user preferences. not that you can't change it, but it's not an error either. Derex 19:20, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Regarding dates

Hey, I noticed your comment on the Bush article regarding the dates. If you click My preferences and choose Date/Time you'll see you have a chose on how to see the dates. In order for the mediawiki software to change the dates to your preference, they must be in ISO 8601 Format. Thus that's how the dates should all be but people get lazy and just write it out. If you write a date in ISO format and link it the software does the linking automatically as it should and the bots can better recognize it. Todays date is 2006-02-02, and it's written [[2006-02-02]] I'll be writing an article later. ~Cheers —This user has left wikipedia 22:54 2006-02-02

See Wikipedia:Dates for more info. ~ Cheers —This user has left wikipedia 23:07 2006-02-02

Evidently not

Was the 1st memorable, non deleted edit by you on that page, however you might've discussed it somewhere else that I didn't see or remember. 68.39.174.238 23:01, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

It's nothing "LOL". 68.39.174.238 00:22, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

Please

Add pages you've protected to the protected pages list. Thanks. --Woohookitty^{(cat scratches)} 09:39, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

Babe Ruth

I'm posting this message on you Talk Page either because you've contributed to the article Babe Ruth, or because you've edited other baseball or sports related articles. I've recently completed a revision of this article at Babe Ruth/rewrite. If you have the time, I'd appreciated it if you'd compare the articles and leave any feedback you might have on the rewrite discussion page. I'd like to reach a consensus before makeing major changes to the main article. Thanks for your help. --djrobgordon 20:13, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

3RR

Hey WikiFanatic, I’m here on behalf of Aranda56, he's asked me to review his 3RR case on IRC. I agree with the block, I saw 4 reverts that were not simple vandalism or self reverts. I'm requesting that you the blocking admin unblock him, because I disagree with going behind an other admin's back and making a change like that. I've told him that if you will not unblock him, then there is nothing I can do about it. I also told him that if it appears you've gone off-line, (i.e. you don't respond in 10-15 min) I'll unblock him assuming good faith that he will not violate the 3RR policy again. By all means if you come back in say 20 min and I've already unblocked and you wish to reblock, please just let me know, and then go right on ahead with reblocking. Thanks KnowledgeOfSelf | talk 04:27, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

You mis-understood. I meant that I didn't want to go behind your back and just unblock him. I did not mean that you went behind an other admins back. KnowledgeOfSelf | talk 05:38, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Also you reblocked for 24 hours, Aranda has already served, 1 and half hours of his block... [1] so would you object to reducing the new 24hr block down to 22 and a half? KnowledgeOfSelf | talk 05:44, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

OK..You do know that I didn't mean any offense right? And I hope you haven't taken exception to my unblock....I tried to make it very clear that if you didn't agree I would have no problem with this...KnowledgeOfSelf | talk 05:59, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Also I did not in anyway stretch policy! [2] KnowledgeOfSelf | talk 06:08, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Aranda56 (talk • contribs)

I've discussed the 3RR situation with Aranda56; given that blocks are intended to be preventive, rather than punitive (i.e., the reason for blocking for 3RR is to prevent the user from engaging in further reverts, not to punish them for making more than three reverts) I am going to unblock on Aranda's promise not to edit the page at all for the next 24 hours. I've made it clear that if I see any edits to the page before this time tomorrow, I will reinstate a full 24 hour block. I believe this is a fair deal, as it allows good work to continue, but prevents further reverting. I don't believe it is bending the rules; it is achiving what the rules are designed to achive while allowing good contributing to continue. (Also, Aranda56 is on an AOL IP, so there is a great deal of collateral damage from any block on that account.)

Of course, I wanted to let you know this as although Nlu has taken over the block, the original block was yours; if this is unacceptable to you, please let me know as soon as possible. Essjay ^{Talk • Contact} 20:59, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

RFA

Hi, just wanted to thank you for voting on my RFA, which went through with a count of (58/0/1), far better than I'd expected. I intend to take things slowly and start using the extra abilities gradually, but if there's anything I can do just leave a message. Cheers, CTOAGN (talk) 13:54, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

New Sports Wiki

Hey WikiFanatic, me and a couple of my buddies hacked the Mediawiki engine and added a bunch of things to make a cool new sports wiki. Here's what we added:

First, we allow users to be able to submit news and opinion articles. Yes, that means there are some pages without a neutral-point-of-view. News pages and Opinion pages have little explanatory bars added atop their pages, explaining that the former may change rapidly (a la wikinews) and that the other should only have substantive edits made by the original author.

Second, we figured that people would want to discuss these articles. So we added blog-like commenting to those pages.

Then, we decided that having all these news and opinion articles is going to lead to a good deal of chaos -- how do we decide if Person A's opinion article about the Mets should be on the Mets page? Why not Person B's? So, we added a voting mechanism. Highest scores, based on votes and comments (and an aging factor) get published.

"Published" simply means that those stories automatically get bumped to the front page and the relevant team and player pages. For example, a News article noting that Benji Molina signed with the Blue Jays would, given enough votes, appear on the front page, the MLB page, the Mets page, and Molina's page.

The same thing is true for opinions. Highest scores are automatically published. But we added another thing for opinions -- "Opinion Clubhouses." They're basically blogs, in that the Clubhouses display links to the articles the author claims credit over.

Oh, yeah, and we have RSS feeds for all the News and Opinion stuff. (I still have to write the documentation for that, and another guy on our team is ironing out a bug or two.)

And of course, this is built on top of the encyclopedic aspect that, as a Wikipedian, you're already familiar with.

The site is armchairgm. We're not "officially" launching until March 6th, but you can feel free to poke around and add content. Please contact me if you have any suggestions or questions.

We would love for you to be a part of our community!

--Awrigh01 20:08, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Image Tagging Image:Pascal.jpeg

This media may be deleted.

Thanks for uploading Image:Pascal.jpeg. I notice the 'image' page currently doesn't specify who created the content, so the copyright status is therefore unclear. If you have not created this media yourself then you need to argue that we have the right to use the media on Wikipedia (see copyright tagging below). If you have not created the media yourself then you should also specify where you found it, i.e., in most cases link to the website where you got it, and the terms of use for content from that page.

If the media also doesn't have a copyright tag then you must also add one. If you created/took the picture, audio, or video then you can use {{GFDL}} to release it under the GFDL. If you believe the media qualifies as fair use, please read fair use, and then use a tag such as {{fairusein|article name}} or one of the other tags listed at Wikipedia:Image copyright tags#Fair_use. See Wikipedia:Image copyright tags for the full list of copyright tags that you can use.

If you have uploaded other media, please check that you have specified their source and copyright tagged them, too. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that any unsourced and untagged images will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. Ricky81682 (talk) 06:06, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Expos

• Your throughts on a requested move (Talk:Montréal Expos -- Montréal Expos → Montreal Expos) would be much appreciated. Skeezix1000 15:06, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

• Why did you move the article without consulting anyone? We went through a discussion in December, and a formal move process to Montreal Expos rather than Montréal Expos. Nfitz 22:54, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
  • Because "Montréal" is the correct way to put it. WikiFanatic 22:55, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
    • Then why did the Expos English-language website use Montreal rather than Montréal? And why did you ignore the discussion why had reached previously reached consensus, which had resulted in an Administrator making the change before you recently reverted it? Nfitz 23:00, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
      • What about their logo? (I'm fine with reverting it; I'm not trying to encroach on your territory) WikiFanatic 23:08, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
        • They were in a primarily French-language market. And their marketing was primarily in French. Their only hope for survival was to attract as many French fans as possible. Also given that the law forbade the use of English signs, etc., for most of their existence, are you surprised that their logo used an accent? However when they advertised in other languages, such as English, they used Montreal not Montréal, as evidenced by their former website, which I referenced. Also, it should be noted, that the article on Montreal itself uses Montreal rather than Montréal. Finally, when you heard the name spoken, by English-speaking people, do they call them the "Montreal Expos" or "Montréal Expos" (i.e. how do they pronounce Montreal, with or without the accent? I don't see that this is my territory ... but their name in English was Montreal Expos, not Montréal Expos - just trying to get the facts straight. Nfitz 23:19, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
          • What about Álex Rodríguez? That uses accents and it should be Alex Rodriguez since that's what we call him, no? WikiFanatic 23:24, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
            • I don't know, I've never heard of the guy, nor do I speak Spanish. I have no idea how your supposed to announce an accent aigu on the letter A. Hmm, looking at that article, it doesn't seem to effect the pronounciation, but the stress, putting the stress on the A, rather than the lex. But that's how we do pronounce Alex in English with the stress on the A. So it probably gets down to his personal preference. Nfitz 23:32, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for putting it back. Nobody has any territory in the article namespace! But I think we have a rough consensus that this one should be unaccented. As you probably gather, it's one of Wikipedia's more angst-ridden areas of active discussion. Andrewa 23:56, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

London, England

Hi, just noticed the fact that London had moved to London, England, and was quite worried by this, as a londoner! Why is it the correct form? Only Americans call it london, england... ConDem 04:29, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

All relax, it was quite quickly moved back. WikiFanatic, now that you've discovered Wikipedia:Requested moves, I suggest you use it for any article move that's likely to be controversial. For example, reversing an earlier move (Montreal Expos) or moving an article that has a high profile and lots of editors (London) is always likely to be controversial. And as well as nominating articles, of course we can always use another admin's help there to clear them up. This will also (very quickly I'm afraid) give you a better idea of what is controversial. Andrewa 00:15, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

From User talk:Andrewa#Moving:

Or since I'm an admin, shouldn't I just go over a move with another admin? WikiFanatic 00:18, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

IMO an admin should go through exactly the same procedures as any other editor except in specific circumstances that justify use of admin powers. See Wikipedia:Administrators' reading list. Andrewa 18:20, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Another Esperanzial note...

Hi again Esperanzians! Well, since our last frolic in the realms of news, the Advisory Council has met twice more (see WP:ESP/ACM2 and WP:ESP/ACM3). As a result, the charter has been ammended twice (see here for details) and all of the shortcuts have been standardised (see the summary for more details). Also of note is the Valentines ball that will take place in the Esperanza IRC channel on the 14th of February (tomorrow). It will start at 6pm UTC and go on until everyone's had enough! I hope to see you all there! Also, the spamlist has been dissolved - all Esperanzians will now recieve this update "newsletter".

The other major notice I need to tell you about is the upcoming Esperanza Advisory Council Elections. These will take place from 12:00 UTC on February 20th to 11:59 UTC on February 27th. The official handing-over will take place the following day. Candidates are able to volunteer any time before the 20th, so long as they are already listed on the members list. Anyone currently listed on the memberlist can vote. In a change since last time, if you have already been a member of the leadership, you may run again. Due to the neutrality precident, I will not vote for anyone.

Yours, as ever, Esperanzially,
--Celestianpower ^háblame 09:00, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
(message delivered by FireFox using AWB on Celestianpower's behalf)

WKRP closing theme lyrics.

Yes, the lyrics to the closing theme of WKRP in Cincinnati are, in fact, gibberish and nonsense. [3] --Zpb52 05:08, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Blanking of your page

That edit was not deliberate. The servers were having troubles at the time, and I suspect a software malfunction was responsible. I did not see that version after any of my edits, if I had I would have immediately reverted the damage. But, I did get a couple of MediaWiki errors at the time, including lost session data.

This has happened before. You seem to have recovered OK, but if there's anything more you'd like me to do just let me know. Andrewa 06:24, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

AfD

Based on what I've seen from you on AfD, I think that you might have something to add to the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cart00ney. I'd appreciate you weighing in on the matter in either direction. Savidan 19:49, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

RFA Thanks

Thank you! Hello 1ne/Archive 2, and thank you for your support in my request for adminship! It passed with a final count of 98/2/0. If there is anything I can do to help you, please leave me a message on my talk page! -- xaosflux Talk

Since you asked...

Happy name change, WikiFan... I mean... SushiGeek. ;) Good editting, fair days. -- Hinotori^{(talk)|(ctrb)} 06:52, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

The atheism userbox

Hey, thanks for fixing the atheism userbox for me; I probably wouldn't have bothered checking my userpage for a while and therefore would've looked kinda dumb. :) Jeff Silvers 23:28, 21 February 2006 (UTC)