Talk:1981 Irish hunger strike

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"burning of the British embassy" - was this not after Bloody Sunday? I thought that on this later occasion there was only an unsuccessful attempt to attack the British embassy - with the Gardaí blocking a huge crowd from going to the embassy? Am I wrong? zoney ♣ talk 01:33, 6 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I think your right, I'll amend article Astrotrain 17:17, 9 Dec 2004 (UTC)

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[edit] Biased article

The article page is not an encyclopedia article but reads like a propaganda leaflet for the IRA group. No one can call Wikipedia an encyclopedia with such stuff on it.

Then edit it - remember the wikipedia motto - "be bold". Also remember that some of those who have worked on this article - me included - are certainly not Republicans. Gerry Lynch 00:10, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
I've removed the NPOV tag- it's been on for a year and a half, and there's no specific criticisms. Additionally, there has been substantial edits since it was introduced. Gabrielthursday 22:22, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
I readded a couple of days ago - the Consequences section is POV.09:02, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] People's Democracy is Trotskyist?

People's Democracy is called "a Trotskyist group" in the article. This is a new one for me, I have never heard that before. There may have been a few people in PD who liked Trotsky or who were Trotskyists or whatever, but the majority of PD was not. So I'm removing this, although I'd be interested in hearing more if someone has citations that show otherwise. Ruy Lopez 08:14, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Also, the IRSP is called the INLA's "political wing", which is rather silly, I changed it to say there is an association, which of course there is, but wing implies a false nature to the relationship. Ruy Lopez 08:20, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

I have reverted Ruy Lopez's last change. People's Democracy started out as a loose radical wing of the Civil Rights movement, but by this time they had evolved into a clearly defined Trotskyist group, they had been recognised as the Irish section of the United Secretariat of the Fourth International, there is plenty material on this. The INLA and IRSP may have been a bit coy in public about the exact nature of their relationship, but "political wing" seems legitimate. PatGallacher 15:17, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

Looks like this Wikipedia Irish Hungerstrike section is directly taken from my Irish Hungerstrike site, including titles, without my permission: http://www.irishhungerstrike.com

[edit] Rename this entry

Unless I'm mistaken the convention in wikipedia entries is for lower case text - shouldn't this article be renamed "1981 Irish hunger strike" ? beano 18:01, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

I moved this today as suggested above. beano 15:00, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Infoboxes

I've made an infobox template for the hunger strikers, that can be found detailed here. I'm going to roll these out to the individuals soon, so long as no one has any objections or suggestions. Pauric 22:25, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

They look good. The only question I have is whether there are articles on Wikipedia on those who went on hunger strike but were taken off? This box wouldn't suit them as they didn't die on hungerstrike. Also, do we want it to be limited to 1981, what about the many other Irish hunger strikers, such as the two in the 70's? Perhaps the year should be a parameter too? Aaron McDaid (talk - contribs) 20:40, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

I could extend it to cover hunger strikers in general, adding in a place to link to the hunger strike in question. Or less open ended to just Irish hunger strikers. We could change "died" to hunger strike ended, and somehow work in a key to show if they died or not. Any thoughts on what the overall coverage should be? Pauric 21:47, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

I've sort of changed my mind. For the moment it should just be for those that died - they are much more likely to be written about in Wikipedia. But it should cover hunger strikes in general, I'd be interested in updating the articles on Frank Stagg and Michael Gaughan. Perhaps the template should have 1981 as the default year and strike, but have the option for specifying otherwise if necessary? Aaron McDaid (talk - contribs) 21:49, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

I've added the infoboxes to the 10 from this stike that died, and those two you mentioned. Hoping there's no big outcry over them in some way. Pauric 21:57, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

On a related note, I created a Category:People who died on hunger strike to encompass the people we're talking about here. I was pushed into doing so after I realised that someone had categorised these people in Category:Activists who committed suicide and other categories along those lines. That's POV and I don't think it was helpful. Whatever one's political sympathies, fact of the matter is that these people died on hunger strike. --Damac 21:54, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Earlier on I added the same infoboxes to some of those users you had grouped into that category, although I didn't finish as wikimedia was having server troubles at the time. Pauric 21:59, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] TD

'scuse my ignorange, but in the table with all the info, what does the TD beside Kieran Doherty represent? -- Pauric (talk-contributions) 01:23, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

He was elected a Teachta Dála for Cavan Monaghan 00:47, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Paddy Quinn (Irish republican)

I suggest we merge this stub on a hunger striker into the main article. Astrotrain 13:06, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Wow!!! you on a talk page!!! It's great to see I must say. Well after you have redirected the Paddy Quinn page three times to 1981 Irish hunger strike and put articles for numberous IRA Volunteers put for deletion I half to say that again this could be percieved as bad faith. The Paddy Quinn article needs expanding not merging imo. I am going to do a bit now but please feel free to help/edit/copyedit my poor spelling/etc.--Vintagekits 13:13, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
I agree with Vintagekits in that the Paddy Quinn article asserts notability and should do with it's own article. I'd like to see the article be expanded, however, if at all possible, by anyone who knows more about the topic, as it's a very interesting subject. Cheers Gaillimh 21:35, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
Strongly disagree with merge proposal. This article is about the hunger strike, merging a biography in would be ludicrous.GiollaUidir 12:31, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Agree 100% with GiollaUidir on this. Why would this be merged with an article on the 1981 hunger strike? Instead of just suggesting it couldn't you at least state one or more reasons as to why you want to follow this course of action... other than your blatant bias against Republicans having pages on wiki.Irish Republican 18:31, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

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