User talk:134.161.244.89

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Please do not create POV redirects to George W. Bush such as Failure of democracy, which I have just deleted. See Wikipedia:NPOV. Gamaliel 20:48, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

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Contents 1 More George W. Bush vandalism 2 Metrosexual 3 Dubya 4 3RR 5 WP:POINT 6 3RR 7 Do not blank this discussion page 8 To Steve 9 Steve or not Steve 10 Vandalism of George W. Bush article 11 Blocked for 24 hours

[edit] More George W. Bush vandalism

This is your last warning. The next time you vandalize a page, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia. - Tεxτurε 21:31, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

When did i vandalize? I have been correcting the accidental removeal of the agreed upon additions. natch

Please see Talk:George W. Bush. Do not claim majority approval when you don't have it. If you continue you will be blocked for vandalism. - Tεxτurε 21:32, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

This is your last warning. The next time you vandalize a page you will be blocked from editing. Hall Monitor 20:46, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

what vandalism? since when do you only get one warning?

[edit] Metrosexual

You might note what has been going on on Talk:Metrosexual before you engage in an edit war. The issues aptly addressed in the addition you insist on continually making has already been discussed there. -Seth Mahoney 03:23, July 20, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Dubya

Would you care to explain why this is a mispronunciation? There is no "correct" form of English... smoddy 21:09, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

w is pronounce "double-you" correctly. ask an english teacher to tell you the alphabet. simple as that.

Not necessarily. Have you heard of NPOV? It means we don't accept a particular group's beliefs to be automatically correct. I expect many American Southerners would agree with me. Incidentally, I am an English grammar-school student, and I say it "double-u". Nevertheless, I don't believe that everyone must. smoddy 21:12, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

just because they are too lazy to learn to speak correctly doesnt make them right. seriously as a teacher to say the alphabet, they will let you know that dubya is a mispronuciation.

English has many different ways of being pronounced. Stop edit-warring over trifles. smoddy 21:24, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

go to hell. facts are facts, i am not going to let a bunch of biased rednecked bush lovers bias that article.

Please dont post on my talk page, voice of all, unless you have concensus, which you dont.

[edit] 3RR

You have been blocked for violation of the 3 revert rule on George W. Bush, a rule you were clearly aware of based on this edit summary. Angela. 21:35, July 20, 2005 (UTC)

Were the other users in violation blocked? Texture, Canderson7,Gamaliel,Billroy88,Rhobite,Gabrielsimon all violated 3rr as well, on the same article.

[edit] WP:POINT

Please to not disrupt Wikipedia to make a point. See WP:POINT. Thank you. Rama 19:10, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

hey, if we are not going with the agreed sentence, we are going with the correct one.

You have been temporarly blocked under the WP:POINT policy. Please reconsider your behaviour and contribute constructively when you come back. Rama 19:35, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

fuck you. if it is a violation of a "point" policy to remove vandalism and replace biased sentences with neutral, correct ones, then the policy is almost as retarded as the vandals incontrol of the bush article, and, like them, needs replacement.

[edit] 3RR

Please stop. If you continue to vandalize pages, you will be blocked from editing Wikipedia.--MONGO 19:33, July 25, 2005 (UTC)

what vandalism? point it out to me please.

It should be obvious. There is no support for your choice of wording. The English language is spoken very differently in terms of pronounciation depending on what region of the world a person is from and that is what makes it interesting. These are called dialects. If your goal is to belittle the President, I suggest a political blog of some sort, but not this forum. Thanks!--MONGO 19:45, July 25, 2005 (UTC)]]

um... try the "english language", or ask a "teacher" to tell you the "alphabet" they will say "double-you" since they are "educated past third grade". Next you will be telling me ghetto speak is a valid dialect. moron. just because some biased article on wiki pedia says so, does not make it so.

It appears that you seem to enjoy rude commentary. Should your behavior continue a permanent ban may be invoked against you. As it stands now, you are currently in violation of WP:3RR--MONGO 20:00, July 25, 2005 (UTC)

Is Merriam-Webster a good enough authority for you? android79 19:54, July 25, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Do not blank this discussion page

Do not blank this discussion page. If you wish to not share this page with other users of the same IP address, please create an account or log in to avoid future confusion with other anonymous users. Thank you. Hall Monitor 21:01, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

where does one report harrasment?

If you are referring to me and my posting of your old IPs (which you have once again deleted in direct violation of a moderator request) then please detail exactly how this is harassment. The text was very carefully worded to be neutral, and not once have you denied that the old IPs were you. Nothing in it is untrue. How is this harassment? How is this vandalism? TexasAndroid 21:25, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

my account i made cannot edit this page, so i am doing it anonymously. btw. please unblock me for someone elses issues. block them.

• Which account is that? android79 21:25, July 25, 2005 (UTC)
  • And what happens when you try to edit this page? - jredmond 21:28, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
    • I'm guessing whatever account he has newly registered has been autoblocked because it is associated with 134.161.244.89, which is currently blocked and can only edit this page. AFAIK, this is what's intended to happen, but I'm no expert on blocking. android79 21:32, July 25, 2005 (UTC)
      • If so, then it'll be interesting to see how long it takes to identify "Steve" on his new, full, user ID. I'm guessing it won't take very long at all. TexasAndroid 04:47, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] To Steve

For a while, I was one of the few people willing to assist you. Not sure why, but I thought I saw some potential in you. You have such passion for your views. You could be an inreadibly valuable member of this community, if you learned to work within the rules. You've actually gotten us thinking on several issues. Your complaints about there being no mention of Iraq in the main Bush article, for instance, made people think and it was soon discovered that the section you wanted had existed, but was quietly deleted by a vandal early in July. It has now been restored.

But you *have* to learn to work within the rules here. Day after day, you come in, and bash heads with multiple members of the community. You are fighting battles you are simply not going to win, with tactics that only serve to annoy the rest of the community. Calling anyone who disagrees with you vandals, for instance, gains you nothing. That, and other of your tactics, including repeated personal attacks, serve only to get people to tune you out. To make enemies. And once you make people into your enemies, you've lost almost any chance of convincing them to agree with your changes.

You need to think carefull about what you want out of Wikipedia.

If you want to actually change things here, to reduce the bias you see in certain articles, then you really need to rethink how you do things. You need to be able to convince people that your viewpoint has merrit. That what you want to see in an article belongs there. That you are not simply replacing one bias with another. Two wrongs do not make a right, and an article that mixes left and right biases is just as POV as an article that shows only one bias.

If however, you are here to get people mad. To get yourself mad each and ever day. To make enemies. To get regularly blocked by various moderators. If this is what you want, then please continue. Because this is all you are going to accomplish with your current methods.

TexasAndroid 21:13, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Steve or not Steve

Ok. The user of this IP has finally denied being the same "Steve" who has been causing so much annoyance. He has made this denial on the history page of this talk page. This is important because he is using this denial to support his claim that my posting of Steve's historical IP links is irrelevant to him, because he's not that person.

The funny thing is that, if you go back a little bit in this very IP's contribution history, you see this change page in the Bush discussion page. You see that the same IP address was pushing for the exact same pronunciation/mispronunciation change to the Dubya section of the Bush page. The interesting part is that this user signed his talk post "steve".

So the same IP, pushing for the same change, signs his posts "steve" a few days ago, but he's not steve now? I'm sorry. For good or ill, it is easily shown that you are the same person as was posting back then. TexasAndroid 22:54, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

What are you talking about? I don't even know who this "Steve" is. I am trying to use a university wireless network to play on wikipedia, but I keep getting "you have new messages" and I am blocked. I never used to use an account, but when I made one (iamnotsteve, for lack of a better name), I find that I cannot edit ANY page, EVEN this one, although if I log out, I am allowed to edit this page. I am getting tired of this BS. Now I sit down today and I see even more accusations of being "steve". I'm about ready to give up on wikipedia if vandals are disrupting "life" here so much that it is this unusable and you are unwilling to fix it. --iamnotsteve

If you want us to beleive you are not "Steve", then you need to explain how, six days ago, someone from this exact same IP address, pushing for the exact same "pronunciation/mispronunciation" change to the "Dubya" section of the Bush page as you were pushing yesterday, signed his comments on the Bush talk page as "Steve". See the link in my comments above to see what I'm talking about. Unless you have a *very* good explanation for this, it's going to be nearly impossible for you to convince anyone that you are not the same person. TexasAndroid 19:22, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

I am guessing the fact that the network on this campus is shittily set up. In the name of "security" the "open" wireless access is set up so that each wireless access point NATs the connection, hence my actual IP is 192.168.1.243. All I am allowed access to is the internet, no printers or shares. I cannot even SSH into an on campus server. Now each building(supposedly) has its own wireless network(2 actually, one "open" to student use, named XXXYYYStu, and one "open" to faculty use, named XXXYYYFac,where the X's are the building code, and Y's appear to be room numbers, but I digress). It appears to me, that each building hosts its own network, and that they are not bridged, otherwise why name them differently? I will check my IP on a different network later, from where I am in the union, I can only access one. I will check the math building when I get a chance. --Iamnotsteve

• There is no such user "Iamnotsteve". android79 19:05, July 26, 2005 (UTC)
• What he said. While we're on the topic, I went ahead and checked for different capitalizations and found nothing; and adding spaces between words didn't come up with anything either. - jredmond 19:14, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
  • Let me qualify that: there is a User:Iamnotsteve now, but there wasn't a few minutes ago. That user hasn't made any contributions, though, and does not show up on Special:Ipblocklist. - jredmond 19:17, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

I made the account "Iamnotsteve" yesterday. --IamnotSteve

So log in and use it, and you won't have the "someone else is using my IP" problem any more. And if you are unable to do so, then please give details here about what happens when you try to log in. (The block on anon access from this IP address has expired, so that shouldn't give you any further impediment.) - jredmond 19:47, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

The reason I was not logged in before, was that it did no good. Even logged in, and on this page, I could not edit. Oh well, it appears to work now. Iamnotsteve 20:19, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

Personally I don't care if the user at this IP is "Steve" or someone else. As long as you edit productively (i.e. don't edit against consensus at George W. Bush) you will not run into additional problems trying to edit. I also encourage you to log in to Wikipedia, this will avoid any confusion about whose edits are whose. Rhobite 20:12, July 26, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism of George W. Bush article

This is your last warning. The next time you vandalize a page you will be blocked from editing. Hall Monitor 18:42, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

(personal attack removed) (another personal attack removed)

[edit] Blocked for 24 hours

You have been temporarily blocked from editing for vandalism of Wikipedia. If you wish to make useful contributions, you may come back after the block expires. - jredmond 18:49, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

This block doesn't appear to have taken. android79 21:05, July 27, 2005 (UTC)

Blocked users can edit their own talk pages, and nothing else. - jredmond 21:17, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

D'oh! I knew that, really I did. android79 21:21, July 27, 2005 (UTC)

Steve, or not Steve, or whoever you are, you have wasted a lot of time of a lot of people and you have shown no sign of being anything but a disruption. I've reblocked this IP address for one month. Gamaliel 21:08, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

WHOIS says that this /16 block of IP addresses belongs to the University of Northern Iowa. Judging from the list on this user's User: page, and from iamnotsteve's earlier comments, it appears that this IP address is dynamically allocated — so a month-long wikivacation for this specific IP might not stop the actual culprit for a full month. - jredmond 21:17, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

Well, we can play whack-a-troll when he pops up again. ;) Gamaliel 21:22, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

Being from Minnesota, I am obligated to say that Iowa is full of trolls. ;-) android79 21:24, July 27, 2005 (UTC)

Iamnotsteve here, just a little PO'ed that I got blocked AGAIN for another user. BTW, android, that was insulting. Anywho, I THINK a buddy and I figured out who steve is. Great policy folks, btw. Nothing like blocking a multiuser IP for a month. Well, at least me and the other serious wiki users can at least go home and get on our own IP and still use it. Sucks balls that I cannot edit for a month between classes while I eat lunch. -- Iamnotsteve

Insulting? Well, okay. I apologize. It was intended as good-natured ribbing – I have relatives from Iowa. Unfortunately, there are only two solutions to this problem: allow this public IP unfettered, unblockable access to Wikipedia, and clean up the mess; or for other Wikipedia users at UNI to stop using the wireless network that Steve is using, and use other connections to edit. Neither option is terribly attractive. android79 21:29, July 28, 2005 (UTC)

It looks like Steve (or another malicious user on your network) is now editing from 134.161.244.216 (talk • contribs), and has been blocked by two different administrators. android79 21:50, July 28, 2005 (UTC)

Ok. I'm coming to actually beleive there are at least two different people here. And that this is either a set of wireless ports, or a campus lab. Either way, android79 has the problem pegged. "Steve", who more and more is behaving as a pure troll, is connecting the same way you are. And so we're stuck either blocking everyone, or blocking none. Iamnotsteve, do you mind at least letting us know how you are connecting when you hit the block? That'll help to assemble a warning message at the top of this talk page. Given that there are now most likely multiple people using this IP, it does change the situation a bit. TexasAndroid 22:04, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

Above, iamnotsteve wrote that they are connecting wirelessly in various buildings. There seems to be only one IP per building, so whenever we block Steve we effectively block a whole building from accessing Wikipedia. This is not ideal but I don't see what choice we have, if Steve continues to call people faggots and mess around at George W. Bush. Sorry iamnotsteve, we have no choice but to block him.

Well, almost no choice. I've always hesitated to do this (since it does have real-life repercussions), but we could notify UNI's IT department of this abuse. We should warn Steve profusely before doing this, but the fact is he's using the school's network resources in order to harass people and disrupt an online encyclopedia. Thoughts? Rhobite 02:29, July 29, 2005 (UTC)

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